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Communion, Part II (and tolerance for all)
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ostrich



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kathie wrote:
A very wise teacher once told me that we don't have to like what a person does or agree with them, we don't even have to love them for who they are, we just have to recognize that everyone was created by God, acknowledge and love the spark of God that created them and resides within them (even if its hidden) and then let them go on their way. Mitakuye Oyasin! (We are all related)


I don't know about you, but God and I are going to have a very long talk when I get Upstairs about my body and its issues. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kathie wrote:
Mitakuye Oyasin! (We are all related)

There's a Lakota phrase I have not heard in a while. I have a book entitled this written by Allen Ross...

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's a Lakota phrase I have not heard in a while. I have a book entitled this written by Allen Ross...



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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. I haven't been here in a while, we've been going through some issues with our daughter. But, it kind of "stings" a little bit when you faith is ridiculed. As a Catholic, I sincerely take to heart the fact that my daughter may end up being denied traditional eucharist becuase of the possiblity of Celiac. I am aware of the low gluten hosts, but don't know how much of an option that will be.

I would never openly poke fun at someone else's religions, faith, lack of faith, or any personal choices that person may have. I feel a bit sad reading this after having been gone a while...and then coming back in need of support.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I feel a bit sad reading this after having been gone a while...and then coming back in need of support


Please don't be sad, there is plenty of support here, sometimes we get a little opinionated around here, sometimes people accidently open their mouths and insert a foot. There have been times in the past when I was feeling a little sensitive because of issues in my personal life and took offense to the way someone responded or stated and opinion but in retrospect realized that it bothered me because I was in a bad place personally. I am sure I have offended others as well, even though I truly do not wish to do so.

As in all things if you need some support ask, take the advice that is helpful to you and throw out the rest. I hope whatever the problems your daughter was having that things are looking up and you will have the answers you seek soon. [/quote]
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kathy, you are right. I was in a bad place when I stopped by here. Under normal circumstances, the communion post issues would have just "rolled right off" of me. Being that I've been sleep deprived and really stressed about my daughter - I was taking things much to much to heart.

I appreciate your response. -=)
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sari



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my church we have gluten free wafers, and non alcoholic wine.

We don't believe the bread and the wine is a literal thing, but a symbolic thing.

We do it in rememberence of what He did for us.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Apologies to all Reply with quote

I haven't been able to keep up here in recent months as much as I'd like, and so I just recently came upon this thread and saw its . . . origin. I've been hesitant to say much recently, but it's time to get over that load of crap and say what I want to say.

I want to extend my deepest and most sincere apologies to anyone and everyone I may have offended. That was certainly not my intent. I joke around about things all the time, that's just how I deal with stuff; my friends know me well enough to know how I am and yes, we do joke about things like that with each other because we know it's not at all serious. Only now have realized how inappropriate it can be. I had gotten comfortable enough on here to say things that I probably wouldn't under other circumstances, and I made the mistake of thinking we were all friendly enough to know it was not to be taken seriously when it's even stated at the end and not be offended by it. Again, I was wrong and I apologize. I clearly don't know when it's time to be serious and what topics should not be joked about.

Since I had come to use a great deal of what I thought was "humor" around here, I can only imagine how many other things I have probably said that offended others as well who have just not spoken up. I want to go ahead and apologize for that, too. I really, really don't mean to offend anyone about anything. I am not THAT lacking in the respect department, nor in sensitivity; or at least I don't think/hope I am. Please don't judge me too harshly, although whatever it is, I'm sure it's just at this point. I didn't realize how awful I could be without knowing it. I just try to bring a little "humor" into everything, but again, I realize that it can be very inappropriate and I apologize for it all.

Very, very few things in my life have brought me to tears and very few things can, but this has. I am TRUELY VERY SORRY for all of the offense people have taken, for all the pain and hurt I've caused, and probably a list of other things that I can't even think of. I am very ashamed of the way I have spoken around here, and I am very, very sorry for it all.

I'm also sorry this is so long-winded; y'all have probably become accustomed to that from me by this point. In closing though, I'd like to say that I have learned my lesson, and I thank those for pointing it out to me before I did anymore damage. I will be much, much more reserved in my comments from here on out, and I will be even more cautious about my brand of "humor," since it is clearly anything but. I'll keep up with the threads and all, I'll probably just be a little quieter.

Again, I apologize to everyone I've offended. Please understand that I sincerely regret what I said and I never meant to offend or hurt anyone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sarah,

Thanks! Welcome back!! I thought you were gone for good Sad. Please don't be a stranger! Please...no more tears, OK? It'll ruin your keyboard Wink

Please keep checking your PM box...I will respond privately when I'm not so tired. I was up most of the night watching Sari frolick on the board Smile hehehee. Glad you're now addicted Sari...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jayhawkmom wrote:
As a Catholic, I sincerely take to heart the fact that my daughter may end up being denied traditional eucharist becuase of the possiblity of Celiac. I am aware of the low gluten hosts, but don't know how much of an option that will be.


Does anyone know the PPM of Gluten in a low gluten host? If it's between 20PPM and 1PPM then wouldn't it be okay to consume? Assuming all the studies they've done saying that no perceivable damage occurs with 20PPM or less?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just spoke to a representative from The Australian Coeliac Society here.

She told me that the low gluten communion wafers contain approximately 27ppm. She said that due to how big they are, studies have shown that most Coeliacs can have up to 10mg of gluten a day and not be affected, and these are considerably a lot lower and are very small. She said that The Coeliac Society over here have approved the low gluten communion wafers for consumption once a week.

Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glad you're now addicted Sari...


Laughing It doesn't take much. I work most of the day on the computer, so forums are a great way to pretend that I am still working Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like ostrich, I poke fun at my own religion. It's pretty easy since I was raised southern baptist and that usually creates a lot of issues. I'll probably end up methodist, but I can't be sure since I'm in a wacky liberal college town and the experience in each denomination will be very different when I get to a more normal place.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sari wrote:
I just spoke to a representative from The Australian Coeliac Society here.



Unfortunately, that doesn't matter here in the states. =(
When it is time for my daughter to make her first communion, we'll worry about it.

I can also poke fun at my religion (not my Faith) once in a while...but like I said, I happened upon this topic on a very very bad day. Thanks for the apology Sarah. =)

I have a site bookmarked (on my home PC) regarding a group of Nuns who have successfully created a very low gluten host that, if I remember correctly, has been approved for use during mass. I'd have to find that specific information.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some info on the Sisters and the making of low gluten host:

http://www.conceptionabbey.org/TowerTopics/TTSummer04/sisters.htm
http://www.catholicceliacs.org/benedictine-ciliac.pdf


Actual Website:
http://www.benedictinesisters.org/Home/homepage.html
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