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suzie



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At our church (catholic) our priest puts the crumbs in his chalice which stays at the altar and is used only by him. The wine he offers to everyone else is served in a different chalice. My priest was supposed to order the gluten free hosts, it's been 2 weeks so far it hasn't come in. At communion time, my priest gave me permission only to drink the wine and not take the bread.
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Purrsnikitty



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: For the Catholics Reply with quote

Suzie, that's probably a good idea; but I hate to give him anything else to think about. Smile He has a hard enough time remembering to pick up the chalice without the crumbs. We've been using two and I had hoped to get away from that, since I am the one who will get fussed at when someone from the Bishop's staff visits.

Ours did arrive, but have not worked as well as I'd hoped. They are quite small - only slightly larger than the size they offer for the congregation - and difficult to break evenly. Sr. Lynn from the Benedictines says they won't make a larger one unless the demand increases or they find a quicker, easier way. Unfortunately, this makes sense - while it's a ministry for them, it's also a business and those decisions have to be made with the head as well as the heart.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suzie wrote:
At our church (catholic) our priest puts the crumbs in his chalice which stays at the altar and is used only by him. The wine he offers to everyone else is served in a different chalice. My priest was supposed to order the gluten free hosts, it's been 2 weeks so far it hasn't come in. At communion time, my priest gave me permission only to drink the wine and not take the bread.


First post. Very Happy

For others, your priest does not have to "give permission" to receive from only the cup. The choice is yours. Just the host, just the cup or both.

Also, parishes are supposed to use different cups. One that the priest places the piece of host in, and the other(s). It should look different than the others. Both (All) can be used for the congregation, but one should stand out.

All of this according to my priest, when I told him the results of the blood test and that the biopsy is scheduled for next Tuesday.
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Purrsnikitty



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:07 pm    Post subject: For the Catholics Reply with quote

Welcome, Mary and best of luck next Tuesday.
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Fidissimus



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick question, has anyone taken the low-gluten host? Did you feel okay afterwards? What did you do about cc? Did it sit in the offering dish with the other hosts? I was thinking of ordering some from the sisters but wondering about protocol? Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: For the Catholics Reply with quote

Our congregation uses the GF hosts for the celiacs. I am from an Episcopal church. The deacon's wife has CD, and she located the source and when I was diagnosed, the next time I came up for Communion, that is what he offered me! I suspect that the best protocol would be to talk to the person on your Altar Guild who does the ordering for the supplies. The way that we make it work on the Altar is to have the GF wafers in a separate glass bowl that is placed on the corporal and they are included in the blessing of all of the hosts. When the Priest comes by with the hosts, he knows to offer me the one from the bowl. Since we have been between Priests since our Rector retired this summer, the Deacons and the Acholytes have had to work overtime to remind the "Priest of the Week" which host to offer me. It doesn't hurt to make them your friends!

Good Luck!
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Purrsnikitty



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject: For the Catholics Reply with quote

Beginning this past Sunday, yes, I did receive a piece of the low-gluten Presider's Host. I didn't have any ill effects - my usual response to gluten is a yucky, upset tummy, a migraine, and if I get enough, the D begins (fortunately, that hasn't happened in a while.) I felt fine on Sunday.

In my Episcopal parish, I'm the celiac AND the deacon, so I have a little bit more control because I set the Table, but it doesn't last long. I kept the low-gluten Presider's Host off the paten with the other hosts pretty successfully; but he plopped the broken pieces right back on the paten with the wheat ones (groan) Sad

Our church permits gluten free bread at the Altar, but so far I've found nothing available in the Presider's size.

I guess it will take a while to train my dear priest and the Bishop might even reassign me before that happens. He has come a long way, I must admit - when I was first diagnosed, he told me my doctor didn't know anything and was just guessing. Rolling Eyes
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Fidissimus



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Priest's sister is Celiac (but lives in a different town and so doesn't attend our church with any regularity). So you'd think he'd be a little sympathetic to the situation. But I have a feeling she's a pretty lax celiac because when I spoke to him about it he seemed pretty blase about the whole thing. I get so sick... it just makes me nervous all the way around. I would be horrified if he dropped the presiders host (or crumbs) on to the GF host. Shocked Then what?! Oi. Sigh. Maybe can I bring it with me and hold it in my lap while everything's being blessed? Wouldn't that count? It's in the same room?! Laughing
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diamondheart



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you seen this website?

http://www.catholicceliacs.org/Keeping.html

And this one...

http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=370

I thought I remember somewhere reading where there was a church that had a line for the Eucharist for celiacs. I think it must have been a church in Europe somewhere.

Claire
(recovering Catholic)
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Fidissimus



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Diamondheart,
I'd seen the latter but not the former. Interesting - confirms a bit of what I'd heard or suspected. Thanks for sharing.
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http://graindamaged.blogspot.com/
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John



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: For the Catholics.... Reply with quote

jayhawkmom wrote:
My disclaimer here.... PLEASE do not respond if you are going to "knock" the religion for it's practices regarding wheat. I really only want to hear from others dealing successfully with this issue. Thank you for your kindness and understanding!!!!


Oh, well, I guess I have nothing to add Twisted Evil
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jayhawkmom



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just shakin' my head over here, wondering why people have to say "recovering" Catholic. And, thank you John for not interjecting any negativity into my question, despite your obvious desire to.

Jenn - I have yet to breach the topic with my priest, but once this year ends... and I am *back* on the right track, I'll be presenting him with my findings. I've mentioned before, I teach sacramental prep, and will begin preparing my 2nd graders for their first communion. I'm sure that the topic of why Mrs. K doesn't receive communion WILL come up. So, I'm going to be ready for it.

I'm also going to "make tracks" for Celiacs and get the ball rolling in our own parish. I don't yet know how...but I'm going to be ready for when my own daughter makes her first communion. =)
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John



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm also going to "make tracks" for Celiacs and get the ball rolling in our own parish. I don't yet know how...but I'm going to be ready for when my own daughter makes her first communion. =)


Education is key! As stubborn as the vatican can be, the Catholic faith is particularly great about recognizing scientific advancement - even adjusting its position on what are essentially secular issues, traditions, and symbolic myths.

I got a world-class science education at my Catholic high school (ranked 2nd city-wide in AP chem behind another student from the same Catholic high school), Evolution was even discussed as the likely mechanism for modern life's development in Catholic grade school. Not what most people expect to hear, but it seemed excessively 'progressive' compared to what some of my friends were being taught in Southern Baptist schools and Sunday sessions.

-Papal infallability has nothing to do with science, but sometimes it takes reminding, and people usually don't like to be reminded!-

Present scientific evidence that even trace amounts of gluten can prevent full digestive healing. Cross reference to the vatican documents that support 'wine only' as a viable personal choice. Be wary that anything you do to question the status quo will be seen as rebellious. There is a risk of being removed, replaced, and ostracized. Bread is a very powerful symbol in the church, they're not just going to give it up. Make sure your goal is to spread understanding and compassion - don't force change, it will only happen as a result of those things.
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jayhawkmom



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John,

I work at my church - in the Religious Education office, as well as teach 2nd grade. I've already spoken about this, ad nauseum, with our DRE. The low gluten hosts are already in use in our Archdiocese. So, it really is just a matter of taking it up with our Priest. And, he's a wonderful man so I really don't anticipate any "trouble." I certainly don't anticipate being asked to leave the church or anything.

I fully understand the reasons WHY wheat is necessary in the host. Papal infallibility relates only to doctrine, not humanity. Smile The sadness is that JPII probably would have had a soft spot for Celiacs... not so sure about Pope Palpitine - as dh calls him. (wow... I'm going to burn in hell for that one, LOL!!!)

Regardless, the low gluten hosts are approved - as is receiving only the Cup. I want my daughter to have both options and to receive her first holy communion with her class (in 3 years) in the same manner as everyone else. =)
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Purrsnikitty



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: For the Catholics Reply with quote

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The sadness is that JPII probably would have had a soft spot for Celiacs... not so sure about Pope Palpitine - as dh calls him. (wow... I'm going to burn in hell for that one, LOL!!!)


I bet he would have - he was so dear, and I'm not so sure about Benedict either, although he seems to have become a bit kinder since his days as Cardinal Ratzinger. I just hope the Benedictine Sisters' low-gluten hosts are the solution for so many Catholics. I had no symptoms at all when I took one several Sundays in a row, so that's encouraging.

I have had the most fascinating recent experience though. I've been assigned by my Bishop to a new parish (deacons work under the Bishop - we don't get to choose where we go to church, as odd as that may seem). The first time DH and I attended worship at the church where I will be serving after the first of the year, there was a note in the bulletin that said "gluten free communion wafers are now available." When I met with the priest, I told him how grateful I was and asked if there were other celiacs in the congregation. He said, not that he knew of, but GF hosts were available at his previous parish and he just thought it was a good pastoral thing to do. He was concerned that I wouldn't be able to distribute wheat hosts. Since I don't have any contact reactions and would wash my hands after the service, that shouldn't be a problem - it never has been.

It just continues to amaze me how the information keeps getting out there and the generosity of response.
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