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Fidissimus

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 1569 Location: Portland, OR.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: Gluten Challenge - How Long? How Much? |
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How long do I need to be eating gluten before I am tested for celiac disease?
This is not an easy question to answer. Most people believe, or are told that they need to eat gluten for a few days (or up to a week) before a blood test or a biopsy, and this is incorrect. The true answer depends on how long the individual has been avoiding gluten. How much gluten to eat depends on the age of the individual who is being tested. The information provided here is a general rule, there are many specifics that come into play, so its best to talk with a knowledgable physician about your particular situation.
First: If a patient has avoided gluten for six to 12 months (or more) it is advisable to consider an HLA gene test before a gluten challenge. The HLA gene test will help determine if the patient is even in the risk group for celiac disease. (Only 1/3 of the US population have the genes for celiac disease.) After 6-12 months, it can be difficult to obtain a diagnosis of celiac disease after a gluten challenge, which is why this step is advisable.
Patients who have been on a gluten free diet for less than six months can consider a gluten challenge under a physician's supervision. A challenge would typically require an adult or a child to eat some gluten for four to eight weeks. For some, a twelve week challenge could be required but no challenge should last more than 12 weeks in children. The patient would eat a specified amount of gluten every day.
Many patients are concerned about participating in a challenge. Medical research shows that a limited challenge of this sort provides a greater medical benefit when it leads to a correct diagnosis of celiac disease. The challenge would need to be maintained if a positive antibody test result is received, because the biopsy procedure also depends on the presence of an autoimmune response.
For children, eating a saltine cracker each day would be enough gluten to conduct a challenge and for adults, a slice of bread a day would be adequate. The challenge would need to occur for six to eight weeks before the test in order for it to be accurate. Accordingly, we will not be able to register individuals for the screening who cannot meet this criteria, should they wish to be tested after following the diet.
Source: http://www.celiacdisease.net/GreatQuestion/tabid/125/Default.aspx _________________ Cheers!
Jenn
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 8607 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Jenn!! Great info!! _________________ Al
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ostrich

Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 4162 Location: Nebraska
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Woah, good stuff Jenn! Thanks! I'll have to do some more research into that gene test. _________________ Ostrich :>--O==={
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~Flawed Design~
Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Posts: 30
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yay! Thank you so much for the link. I feel so much better about going into my biopsy tomorrow.
My gastroenterologist, told me just 20 days of gluten challenge would be enough, didn't specify amount. Then I read somewhere you need to eat .3 g for every kg of your body weight, a 100 kg person would then have to eat 30 grams of wheat protein!!! That's too large an amount, and I was getting concerned. Also I read just a molecule of gluten would trigger the auto immune response that causes the damage. . .the information you've posted just reaffirms that, thank you so much. _________________ Suspected Celiac since 2-2-2007. |
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babyface nelson
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. I am really confused. I just saw my gastro today, and she told me that if I have been avoiding gluten, the serology will come back normal, but the biopsy will still be valid. She then scheduled an endoscopy for the end of the month and told me not to worry about the diet either way until then.
Do I need to eat gluten before my endoscopy or not? |
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cruelshoes

Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 2546 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Yes. You must be eating gluten to have a better chance at an accurate result. The human digestive tract is something line 27 feet long. Every day you are not eating gluten (if you have CD, that is) is a day of healing. Many physicians only want to take a few samples and damage can be patchy anyway, so the more healing you do, the less likely you are to show damage.
If it were me, I would eat as much gluten as I could until the endoscopy and then pester the doctor to make sure she is taking at least 10 - 12 samples in the endoscopy. _________________ -Colleen
Dx 8/05 via bloodwork/biopsy
10-YO son Dx 11/05 via bloodwork/biopsy
Daughters (12 and 2) have neg. bloodwork
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aklap

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bump _________________ Al
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aklap

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bump for Asif _________________ Al
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aklap

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aklap

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bump for katiejack _________________ Al
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gfjhawk
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I'm about to start eating gluten again in preparation for a biopsy. I was told I needed to eat gluten for a week beforehand (I've been gf for about two months now). In this situation, would a slice of bread a day still be enough to produce an accurate result? I have a hard time forcing myself to eat the stuff, and don't want to consume any more than necessary.  |
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cruelshoes

Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 2546 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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In 2 months, I think it is possible that you could have had significant healing. Thre is really no way to know for sure. A week really isn't enough time. I think the last book I read said that healing can be aparent in the villi within a week. 2 months GF is a lot of healing time. Your biopsy may or may not be accurate, and may or may not show you have villi damage.
I can tell you about my situation, however. I had a follow up biopsy 6 months after I went GF. I still had significant damage that was visible to the naked eye. My villi were completely gone when I got my diagnosis, though. I think if you have less damage than I had, your results might be a bit murkier.
Good luck on your challenge. _________________ -Colleen
Dx 8/05 via bloodwork/biopsy
10-YO son Dx 11/05 via bloodwork/biopsy
Daughters (12 and 2) have neg. bloodwork
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gfjhawk
Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| cruelshoes wrote: | In 2 months, I think it is possible that you could have had significant healing. Thre is really no way to know for sure. A week really isn't enough time. I think the last book I read said that healing can be aparent in the villi within a week. 2 months GF is a lot of healing time. Your biopsy may or may not be accurate, and may or may not show you have villi damage.
I can tell you about my situation, however. I had a follow up biopsy 6 months after I went GF. I still had significant damage that was visible to the naked eye. My villi were completely gone when I got my diagnosis, though. I think if you have less damage than I had, your results might be a bit murkier.
Good luck on your challenge. |
Thanks for the reply. I've had significant problems with malabsorption (necessitating blood transfusions and IV iron), so I think I probably had significant villi damage. Whether that shows up in the biopsy or not, I still believe I have celiac disease, and I'll still go back to gf eating after this. Though I want a definitive dx, the whole concept of eating something I know will hurt me seems pretty messed up.  |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 8607 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| gfjhawk wrote: | [Though I want a definitive dx, the whole concept of eating something I know will hurt me seems pretty messed up.  |
Hi JHawk,
Yup, it does suck that you have to do this. I wanted an official dx too, I started out on my gluten challenge and called it off after 5 days. I couldn't stand another 6-8 weeks on gluten.
As it stands right now, the gold standard for dx'ing CD is villi damage. Without villi damage, there's no dx of CD. Unless you have a doc that is willing to put 2 and 2 together...then they might give it to you based on other factors. Do I think there needs to be some changes in how gluten sensitivity spectrum is viewed and diagnosed - YOU BET! Slowly that is happening.
Good luck in your challenge. Please let us know the out come! _________________ Al
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 8607 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| gfjhawk wrote: | [Though I want a definitive dx, the whole concept of eating something I know will hurt me seems pretty messed up.  |
Hi JHawk,
Yup, it does suck that you have to do this. I wanted an official dx too, I started out on my gluten challenge and called it off after 5 days. I couldn't stand another 6-8 weeks on gluten. This is a choice that we as patients have to make.
As it stands right now, the gold standard for dx'ing CD is villi damage. Without villi damage, there's no dx of CD. Unless you have a doc that is willing to put 2 and 2 together...then they might give it to you based on other factors. Do I think there needs to be some changes in how gluten sensitivity spectrum is viewed and diagnosed - YOU BET! Slowly that is happening.
Good luck in your challenge. Please let us know the out come! _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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