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Eeyorific
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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Need safe paper mache paste recipe |
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Hi, I've been looking on line for a paper mache paste recipe to make a baseball pinata for my son's 6th b-day.
I have found many, but they call for wheat flour, or use corn starch. We are not able to use either.
Could someone tell me, would the Bob's Red mill all purpose flour work?
Or, would potato starch work OK to replace the corn starch?
Thank you, in advance!
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cruelshoes
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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I know I saw a paper mache recipe in one of my GF cookbooks (one od Danna Korn's maybe?) I'll have to search around and see what I can find.
Here is another recipe I found (Haven't tried it, so I don't know how well it works):
http://surefoodsliving.com/category/products/
| Quote: | Make your own paper mache with this recipe from Planet Pals:
Ingredients: Glue, water, paper
Directions:
Mix two parts white glue with one part warm water. Stir well and the Paste is ready to use. Now you need paper-newspaper works well! Dip each piece of paper in the liquid mixture and apply it one piece at a time to form your shapes. |
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Eeyorific
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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any way of knowing if Elmers glue or glue in general contains corn? Matthew just finished a skin patch testing for an allergy to corn, it's come back pretty positive. I'd rather him not handle anything corn based.
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly, his party is next weekend, and the pinata we're making takes 4-5 days to complete. (I never seem to get to anything early.. it's always just in the nick of time.) 
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ostrich
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Their website makes me LOL:
| Quote: | How is glue made?
Elmer's Glues are chemical based. They are made or formulated from chemicals which are synthesized (created by Man). These chemicals were originally obtained or manufactured from petroleum, natural gas and other raw materials found in Nature. The exact formula and specific ingredients used in making Elmer's products are considered proprietary information, therefore, we cannot share those with you. |
Crap! But wait, further down...
| Quote: | I have a milk allergy, are your products safe for me to use?
Our products are derived from synthetic materials, not any type of animal or milk protein. Of course, if you experience any kind of allergic reaction, be sure to check with your doctor regardless of the type of product you are using. |
| Quote: | Is Elmer's glue gluten free?
All of our products are gluten free except for the Elmer's Finger Paints. The finger paints contain wheat and oat products. |
I would just email/call them and ask.
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cruelshoes
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I had someone at Delphi bump the paper mache recipe from Danna Korn's book for me. Here is a link
| Quote: | | there's a recipe in Danna Korn's book, Kids With Celiac Disease. The recipe calls for 2 cups of any gf flour/mix, 2 teaspoons xanathan gum, 1 1/2 cups water, and 1/4 cup white glue. |
Hope whichever recipe you decide to try turns out great, and that Matthew has a great birthday. Don't be such a stranger, Eeyorific. 
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cruelshoes
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Here's another one. I don't know what is in laundry starch, so you would have to research to make sure it is safe for Matthew. Liquid starch is sold in a bottle in the laundry products aisle.
http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,1811,147172-237199,00.html
| Quote: | PAPER MACHE
Niagra instant laundry starch
Cold water
Tissue paper, facial tissue, newspaper, string, cotton, etc.
Make a paste by mixing equal parts of Niagra instant laundry starch and cold water until starch is dissolved. Let stand a few minutes to thicken. Dip in desired materials. Shape as desired, molding over balloon, wire or cardboard frame for interesting forms. Allow to thoroughly dry on waxed paper for rigid finished objects. Drying time varies depending on object size. Allow 2-3 days for hats or balloon decorations. |
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Eeyorific
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| cruelshoes wrote: | | Hope whichever recipe you decide to try turns out great, and that Matthew has a great birthday. Don't be such a stranger, Eeyorific. |
Thanks Colleen, we applied the first layer to the pinata last night. I ended up using the glue, and had Matthew paint it on with a brush. I think it's going to turn out OK, but after we're finished with this project, I think I will have the kids do a small paper mache project for school testing the GF flour. The glue was extra sticky, making it a bit hard to work with.
I have to be a little more careful now when it comes to corn. He just had a recent patch allergy test to show that his allergy to corn is serious. Even just touching it. (which mom already knew, but the doctors weren't satisified because their tests said otherwise, until now.) Corn was the highest, then dairy, and finally wheat. So in addition to having CD, he has an allergy to wheat, too.
Anyway, his party is a week away. He is so excited. He's invited about 15 friends to get togther at the ball park for a game of baseball. (My kids eats, sleeps, and breaths baseball!!)
Thanks, again for the help. I'll try to post a picture of the finished project!
And I'll try to pop in more. I miss you all.
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mrsppmrxky
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Kristie, be careful.........lots of newspapers use corn in the paper. MRP reacts to nearly all paper now. He can handle glossy magazine paper, but if there are any paper inserts and it touches him, within a few minutes he has to run for the bathroom and then he starts with the muscle spasms after he he is out of the bathroom.
You also will have to be careful of toliet paper. Most brands use cornstarch to powder the rolls.
I have found that MRP doesn't react to the blue and white boxed toliet paper at Sam's Club and he doesn't react to the Member's Mark from Sam's Club.
All other brands create a huge problem for him
You will find that most shampoo and hand soaps have corn in them. (that also includes hand sanitizers!) I bought a galllon of Miracle II from a place on the internet. It can be used to bathe and wash your hair. It is also a very good cleaner for washing your floors. (I know, sounds strange. LOL It is so concentrated that you only use about 1 Tb of the Miracle II in a mop bucket to clean with.)
If Matthew is very sensitive, you will also have to be careful about putting gas in your vehicle when he is with you. Many of the gas stations only have gas that contains some ethynal and the fumes may set off an allergic reaction. MrP can't go anywhere near a gas station now.
If you have any ?s you want to talk over about the corn issue, send me a PM and I will give you my phone number.
You will need to avoid TABLE SALT as well. It has cornstarch in it. You buy sea salt with out added iodine. Something in the iodine process uses a corn formula. You will want to switch to GUAR GUM instead of Xanthan. Sadly to say most mixes that we have are not going to be useable by Matthew from now on because they do contain Xanthan Gum and or they have citric acid or cornstarch.
Also, milk that contains vitamins A & D added, contains a corn process. Since he is casien free, that should pose no problem, but if your milk sub has it added, you might want to call and speak with someone there at the company about the process they use to put the vitamins into their product.
Locate a compounding pharmacist. He/she will be your new friend. You will have to get a RX for over the counter medications such as tylenol or advil............they contain corn. All medications for Matthew will need to be compounded from now on. Most of the syrups from the other drug companies contain corn based syrup. Even sugar free is from corn. (Sweet N Low, Equal, Sugar Twin.............the substitute for sugar is corn based.)
There is a M&M's type candy that you can get through the health food stores either online or where you live they might order it for you. It uses Beeswax in the shell coating and it doesn't contain corn at all. They are about $5 a bag though, so they are precious and need to be doilled out.
I will be glad to tell you what I have found out so far. If you don't have free long distance, post here your questions and I will chat with you about the answers.
If you start doing much digging online for information, sit down with a box of kleenex. I broke down when I saw what all was in this to learn. It was 4 pages with double columns and it was in tiny print.
You will learn and get through it though! It just takes time. I will be glad to help anyway that I can. I have never met your son, but when he was first sick and needing to come off of gluten, something in your posts made him very special to me. He has a lot to deal with and is quite the trooper to have overcome what he has had to deal with.
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Eeyorific
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Thanks so much Mrs. P. your kind words and helpful information mean so much to me.
I think about you and Mr. P. often. I just don't know how you do it! I know Matthew has it prety rough some times, but I can't imagine his corn allergy being as bad as Mr. P's! As I have said before, he's very blessed to have you taking care of him!! (((hugs to you both!!)))
I didn't even think about the news paper being a problem. As it turned out I ended up doing the two layers that used the newspaper, and tonight we did a layer of printing paper, I think we're going have to do one more tomorrow because I don't plan on painting it, and we can see the newspaper.
So far Matthew hasn't reacted to the toliet paper, but I will keep that in mind, he has reacted to shampoo's, buble bath, and moose (when he went through his wanting spiked hair stage) 
One thing I've been thinking a lot about is the fact that all around us are corn fields, I really think this contributes to his frequent sinus infections. Other than moving, I'm not sure what more we could do! 
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spiked hair: LOL this is one of those, I think is 'useless' info, but I guess not. LOL I saw on a Split Ends show on one of the channels. The beutician used a type of egg wash for the spike. You might be able to do it with some sugar water as well, but then you would need to keep the ants away. LOL
Hopefully Matthew will soon go through that phase.
I suggest for the corn fields near by your home. Keep the window shut and purchase one of those really good home air filters. They are expensive, but MrP and I would not survive the pollen season nor the hayfever season without it!
If the corn field is behind your home or beside it, you might want to consider moving. I would think that corn pollen would be all over the outside play equipment.
MrP has to wear gloves outside the home, just touching surfaces where others have touched them after eating corn sends him into an almost instant reaction.
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Kristie,
I know that your event is over, but I ran across this info and thought I'd put it here. How much of this is corn free, I don't know - sorry.
This comes via Celiac Listserv from Janet L - Sept 2008 Week 4.
| Quote: | I want to thank everyone who offered suggestions! I really appreciate it
although I haven't had a chance to thank each one of you personally. I
printed off copies of your emails and gave them to the art teacher today.
She's going to review and let me know what she thinks will work best. I
offered to purchase the alternative ingredients she would need. Below are
the recommendations:
1. Blick's Mix Instant Papier Mache at www.dickblick.com
2. Claycrete Instant Papier Mache. Can be purchased at JoAnn's. If you use
the weekly 40% off coupon, the price for a one pound bag is about $3.30.
3. You can make the paste at home and bring it to class after it is cooled.
Boiling some rice flour with a little tapioca in some water makes a great
paste. Actually it works better than wheat starch based paste. Rice flour is
what the artists tend to use.
Adding some Elmer's glue to the rice/water paste makes it even stronger and
nicer. You can buy Elmer's (or some similar brand) cheaply by the gallon at
hardware stores.
You can also buy "laundry starch" which is premade. That's actually what we
used when I was a kid. It's made from corn starch.
Adding some essential oil to the paste can keep bugs from eating your
creations too. Salt keeps it from molding.
http://www.dltk-kids.com/type/how_to_paper_mache.htm has some good hints.
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Try this easy paper mache paste recipe:
- Take 1 heaped soup ladle of powdered cornstarch
- Place in a heat proof bowl
- Add enough COLD water to form a paste and to dissolve powder to
consistency of thick cream.
- Pour in one kettleful (1.7 litres) of RAPIDLY BOILING (MUST be
bubbling away...) and stir like crazy...!
It is very very HOT like porridge and it can form lumps so I usually give it
a whisk or beating with my electric mixer to smooth it. Paste should change
from opaque white to translucent once the boiling water is added. It will
keep a few days and can be microwaved to be heated so it's less
"jelly-like". Kids love to use it while it's warm, but it works equally well
cold.
Salt can be added to prolong shelf life."
4. I don't recommend that your son work with the papier mache, gloves or
not. Our daughter, age 23, had a bad reaction to gluten just baking wheat
cookies without eating them. It would be very hard to manage a child with
gloves to avoid problems, and the other kids will spread the stuff on a lot
of things he will later touch. Unless the teacher enjoys super cleaning
doorknobs, water fountains, desks, books, you get the idea. There are other
materials that are gluten free that you will probably get recipes for and
the whole class can use.
5. Suggestion from a viewer...
"I use Elmer's art paste as my 'glue' for papier mache--it costs less than
$3 for a small box that will mix up to a gallon of paste--and it lasts a
long time. Not only that, but projects won't get eaten by bugs (this can
happen when using flour or cornstarch pastes)! Last of all, for less than
$9, I can buy several cubic feet of loose cellulose insulation (shredded
paper) from most hardware stores (that you can also mix with art paste to
your liking)--this will give you enough medium to last for quite awhile
(even years) including in classroom situations, depending upon how often you
use it. To use this last, build your basic armature, cover with a few layers
of paper, then apply cellulose/art paste medium in several coats; allow to
dry between coats. You may choose to end with paper for a different finish.
This is fun to sculpt and experiment with."
6. Here¹ what I gleaned off delphiforums:
I've used liquid starch for paper mache and there's a recipe in Danna Korn's
book, Kids With Celiac Disease. The recipe calls for 2 cups of any gf
flour/mix, 2 teaspoons xanathan gum, 1 1/2 cups water, and 1/4 cup white
glue.
I use to use Stayflo Liquid Starch to do papier mache projects with my
students. I'm not sure if it is gluten free or not, but it is much less
messy than the flour mixture and it easily wipes off of most surfaces. I
might suggest you look to see if it is a safe product.
I can assure you that liquid starch method is nearly as messy as flour/glue
but the preparation is much easier on the teacher.
Paper mache and wallpaper paste and that smelly paste we used to use in
school (that some kids liked to eat!) contain wheat flour.
Here are some wheat-free alternatives to traditional paper mache:
a.. Make your own paper mache with this recipe from Planet Pals:
Ingredients: Glue, water, paper
Directions:
Mix two parts white glue with one part warm water. Stir well and the Paste
is ready to use. Now you need paper-newspaper works well! Dip each piece of
paper in the liquid mixture and apply it one piece at a time to form your
shapes.
b.. Claycrete Instant Papier Mache - made from 100% pure paper pulp, you
mix with water and knead it and model it.
7. This is the papier mache recipe given to me by a dietician; It looks like
it might have been copied out of Dana Korn's book. I haven't tried it yet,
but made a plan with staff to prepare a batch for my son to share with all
the kids at his art table when they do papier mache later in the year.
Papier Mache Pulp
2 cups gluten-free flour (any mix will do)
2 tsp xanthan gum (available from any health food store)
1 1/2 cup water
1/4 cup white glue
Mix ingredients thoroughly, adding the flour, xanthan gum, and glue to the
water a little at a time. Stir the mixture frequently with a wire coat
hanger or whisk. The objective is to get a smooth, even mixture with no
lumps or air bubbles. Tear newspaper into long, thin strips. Dip the paper
into the pulp mixture above and scrape the excess off with your fingers.
Layer the pulp-covered strips onto your project.
8. Wouldn't rice flour work for your sons project? Rice is quite sticky and
very inexpensive. Try and asian market and buy a bag of sticky rice and give
it a try at home. I think it will cost less or the same as wheat flour.
Just a thought.
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