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cruelshoes

Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3555 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Any book that says glutinous rice (and oats) contains gluten shows a lack of understanding of the gluten free diet by the author. This book should not be relied upon to contain accurate information on what is or is not safe to eat. People can read it for her diagnosis story and how she feels better now that she is on a gluten free diet, but there are other, much more reliable, sources of information. _________________ -Colleen
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Reneé
Joined: 03 May 2009 Posts: 7 Location: The Soiuth
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| aklap wrote: | Renee, if you would like a really great book, check out Living Gluten-free For Dummies by Danna Korn.
Every gluten intolerant should have this book in their library. |
Thanks! |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10968 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| cruelshoes wrote: | | Any book that says glutinous rice (and oats) contains gluten shows a lack of understanding of the gluten free diet by the author. |
Since I have not looked at the book, or viewed her recent TV appearances, I can't address much. Do you have a direct quote? We all know that "gluten" is just a generic term of protein storage. Of course glutinous rice has gluten - it's just not toxic to celiacs. The question becomes in what context was this comment made?
As for oats - the oat mis-information is still wildly rampant. There are doctors and entire celiac organizations that still don't consider the updated info.
I'm not trying to justify what she has said or written, I'm just trying to remain fair and not break out my pitch fork, torches, tar & feathers just yet. I need to understand what's going on. Remember the Campbell's Prego/Pace issue? Everybody was ready to lynch Campbell's for putting gluten in their products and hiding it. Well, it turns out that they weren't doing that! They pulled the product from the GF list until testing was completed on it and promptly re-instated it once it passed testing. _________________ Al
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Reneé
Joined: 03 May 2009 Posts: 7 Location: The Soiuth
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Taken from The G-free Diet
Pg 85
| Quote: | | In it's pure form, rice is always gluten-free. "Aromatic rice" is also g-free, but watch out for preflavored rice mixes and the sticky rice in sushi, both of which might contain added gluten. |
pg 86
| Quote: | Glutinous rice:
A misnomer, according to Dr. Green. Despite the name, glutinous rice is g-free. |
This is the only spot I see that she mentions gluten in rice...AND...she is correct that in mixes and in some restaurants, gluten MAY be added.
Also, when the book discusses oats (atleast in the section I am currently reading), the gluten associated with oats is through cross-contamination as oats are processed along side wheat in certain factories. |
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ostrich

Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 5100 Location: Nebraska
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| cruelshoes wrote: | | Any book that says glutinous rice (and oats) contains gluten shows a lack of understanding of the gluten free diet by the author. This book should not be relied upon to contain accurate information on what is or is not safe to eat. People can read it for her diagnosis story and how she feels better now that she is on a gluten free diet, but there are other, much more reliable, sources of information. |
As an addition, people should keep in mind that lists (of any type) go out of date very, very quickly. I remember her talking about how useful her lists of GF products are. _________________ Ostrich :>--O==={
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jeant
Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Posts: 290
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ostrich wrote: | | Second. Sounds like some new hip trend. |
Third!
Maybe it's because it sounds too perky, or maybe it's because "G" is associated with so many other things (some that are R rated, ha!).
I'm sure all this controversy it great for sales though. I had no interest in reading the book, but after all the discussions I have read, I am now curious.
I don't know how much misleading information there is in it, but I am concerned that is sometimes seems as though she is describing it like a fad diet.
From the website:
| Quote: | BENEFITS of a Gluten-Free Diet:
* Increased energy
* Lower cholesterol
* Weight loss
* Control IBS
* Counteract ADD/ADHD
* Restored health |
And from the book (the first chapter--"I'm Allergic to What???"--is available on the website):
| Quote: | | But a gluten- free lifestyle can help countless others as well. People suffering from a wide range of diseases—from autism to osteoporosis, from diabetes to rheumatoid arthritis—can often benefit from this change in diet. Even people with no health issues have a great deal to gain by giving up gluten. The G- free diet can help with weight management. It can elevate your energy levels, improve your attention span, and speed up your digestion. |
She may be right, but it does make me a little uneasy.
| Quote: | | Also, when the book discusses oats (atleast in the section I am currently reading), the gluten associated with oats is through cross-contamination as oats are processed along side wheat in certain factories. |
I can't speak for the book, but the website uses the term "contaminated oats."
| Quote: | | I remember her talking about how useful her lists of GF products are. |
The website has a "Gluten-Free Cheat Sheet" that lists nuts as being gluten free. I always have to check ingredients, because I find that a significant number of brands flavor with barley malt. Maybe she meant unprocessed nuts, but it isn't clear. |
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cruelshoes

Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3555 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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OK – I went to the bookstore on my lunch break so I could reacquaint myself with the book. I do not own it, but I flipped through it on a previous occasion. I definitely won’t be buying it.
First, I was incorrect in saying that EH said that oats are unsafe. I was confusing that with something else. Sorry about that. To make up for it, I came up with a partial list of my other problems with the book:
Sticky rice (also known as glutinous rice). She states that the sticky rice in sushi can be unsafe because gluten might be added to it. But it really is more likely that the gluten in sushi is in the other things in it (fake crab for example). She gives people the false impression that the rice is the only thing to be worried about. Someone new to the GF diet could go into a sushi resturant, and ask if there is anything added to the rice that had gluten in it. If they were told no, they might still get hit by something else in the sushi what was gluten. The rice is not the only thing to be concerned with, but people would not know that by reading the book.
Page 34 – Blue Cheese: It is states that the mold used to make blue cheese “usually originates on old bread”, so it is to be avoided. The word usually falsely implies that the majority of blue cheese is to be avoided. It would be more correct to say that the mold MAY be cultured on bread, and it source should be verified before consuming. This is ignoring the fact that at the Thrive Expo, Cynthia Kupper said that all blue cheese is safe. I’m giving EH a pass on that part, because I don’t think word has gotten out yet.
Page 41 – Brown Rice Syrup – states that it is made with a combination of rice and barley malt, and is unsafe. In actuality, some types of brown rice syrup are safe (Lundberg is one example), and not all contain barley.
Page 43 – Stamp and envelope glue – listed as likely to contain gluten. Realistically, it is much more likely that stamp and envelope glue do NOT contain gluten.
46 – Glucose syrup – it is stated that this ingredient is unsafe. While this ingredient can be derived from a wheat source, it has been shown that processing renders it GF
She repeatedly mentions that she self-diagnosed herself with celiac disease. Well, you can’t diagnose yourself with celiac disease. You can diagnose yourself with gluten intolerance, but celiac disease is a medical condition that is characterized by villi damage (observed on a biopsy). I don’t think she has a portable endoscope in her house to do a self-biopsy. To her credit, she does say that the proper way to be diagnosed is through bloodwork and biopsy. But you can’t diagnose yourself with celiac.
In the chapter entitled “how not to be a party pooper,” she uses the phrase “Even if I decide to throw caution to the wind and dig in (and I definitely don't recommend this!), I end up obsessively worrying about how I am going to feel by the end of the night." Do we really think it is a good idea to be listening to advice on following the GF diet on someone who decides to throw caution to the wind and dig in?
But the kicker for me is on page 113. She has a way of dealing with social dinners if the meal is unsafe. Her husband sits next to her, and starts his meal. Halfway through, she surreptitiously switches plates with him and so it looks like she has eaten half her dinner. OK, so far so good, I actually think that’s a fine idea. Well the problem is when she was supposed to go to the White House to eat. She and her husband were unexpectedy seated at separate tables. So what did she do? She says she ate every bit of that gluten food, and then gloats that she “felt no pain afterward. My adrenaline completely eclipsed my tummy troubles on that once in a lifetime opportunity.” Wha?!?! Is she saying that people can eat gluten meals and adrenaline will help them not feel symptoms? Well happy day, I’m gonna eat a plate of spaghetti and then go bungee jumping. Even if she did not have symptoms, that means nothing. A celiac eating a plateful of gluten will incur intestinal damage, regardless of symptoms. I think this is an irresponsible thing to advocate.
Overall, this book could cause people to avoid safe foods, and does not take cheating serious enough. I think there are much better books out there that have better information for people that are just starting out.
These are only my opinions, and they probably don’t mean anything. I have a tendency to get way down in the details (not always a good thing. ) I’m not looking to pick a fight with anyone who likes the book. But if I were asked to recommend a book to someone who was just starting out, this would not be it. Seriously, this post is long. I need to get a life!
PS - I am NOT a party pooper!  _________________ -Colleen
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The Edifying Conscience
Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 2999
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| cruelshoes wrote: |
Overall, this book could cause people to avoid safe foods, and does not take cheating serious enough. I think there are much better books out there that have better information for people that are just starting out.
These are only my opinions, and they probably don’t mean anything. I have a tendency to get way down in the details (not always a good thing. ) I’m not looking to pick a fight with anyone who likes the book. But if I were asked to recommend a book to someone who was just starting out, this would not be it. Seriously, this post is long. I need to get a life! |
I think we need to get 'way down in the details.' The details are what allows us to be healthy or not. Thank you for taking the time to post the inconsistencies in EH's book. It's a shame new celiacs and the general public including the 4 or 5 people who've excitedly mentioned the book to me are unaware of them.
I haven't read the book. Is it true that Dr. Green wrote a forward? |
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caseygirl
Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 163 Location: Baltimore
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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LOL colleen!
I agree with TEC though- if you are going to write a book on celiac, then get the details correct.
EH is a public figure on television and therefore reaches millions of people. If she is going to write a book about a medical condition then, IMO, she has a moral obligation to write a medically sound book. Because of her celebrity, sick people might choose her book to read amongst lots of others at the bookstore. People need to be aware if her book isn't 100% accurate. I haven't read it yet but that's just my opinion.... |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10968 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone tried to contact Hasselbeck and inquire about her statements or suggest there needs to be some corrections? _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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cardine45

Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 586 Location: Kalamazoo, MI
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| cruelshoes wrote: | | In the chapter entitled “how not to be a party pooper,” she uses the phrase “Even if I decide to throw caution to the wind and dig in (and I definitely don't recommend this!), I end up obsessively worrying about how I am going to feel by the end of the night." Do we really think it is a good idea to be listening to advice on following the GF diet on someone who decides to throw caution to the wind and dig in? |
I thought my blood was pumping when I read this, but then I read:
| cruelshoes wrote: | | But the kicker for me is on page 113. She has a way of dealing with social dinners if the meal is unsafe. Her husband sits next to her, and starts his meal. Halfway through, she surreptitiously switches plates with him and so it looks like she has eaten half her dinner. OK, so far so good, I actually think that’s a fine idea. Well the problem is when she was supposed to go to the White House to eat. She and her husband were unexpectedy seated at separate tables. So what did she do? She says she ate every bit of that gluten food, and then gloats that she “felt no pain afterward. My adrenaline completely eclipsed my tummy troubles on that once in a lifetime opportunity.” Wha?!?! Is she saying that people can eat gluten meals and adrenaline will help them not feel symptoms? Well happy day, I’m gonna eat a plate of spaghetti and then go bungee jumping. Even if she did not have symptoms, that means nothing. A celiac eating a plateful of gluten will incur intestinal damage, regardless of symptoms. I think this is an irresponsible thing to advocate. |
I'm not even sure what to say in response to this. I'm completely dumbfounded. Isn't she lucky to not have symptoms as bad as most? (note the thick sarcasm) I can't imagine eating anything I thought might be unsafe, especially at the white house.
I need to calm myself before focusing on that more.
I'm glad that someone who is well known wrote a book to broaden awareness, but I 100% agree that she should have had the book checked more before publishing. |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10968 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.gfreediet.com/about-elisabeth.html
| Quote: | | Upon her return to the U.S., Hasselbeck diagnosed herself with celiac disease (she was later formally diagnosed by Dr. Peter Green), an autoimmune reaction to gluten: the protein found in wheat, barley, rye, and some oats. Removing this one element would be the key to restoring her health. But she still had to revamp her diet, spot gluten in popular products, and order G-Free meals at restaurants. THE G-FREE DIET simplifi es all this work for the estimated three million Americans who have celiac disease, the 30 million who have food intolerances, and the millions more who want to reshape their bodies inside and out. |
According to her website, she figured it out on her own at first - then official dx'ed by Dr. G [since we're being all hip now and abbreviating all G words...].
I'll agree...
That there are some inaccuracies.
That her ways of dealing with certain social situations is...odd...at best and definitely not something that should be done by anyone.
That this lifestyle is all about the details.
Now the question becomes...are we the gluten intolerant members going to be part of the solution or part of the problem?
Are we going b!tch and moan about how inaccurate this book is and do nothing about it...or...are we going to contact Ms. Hasselbeck and share the facts as they are known to be [complete with references backing up our facts]? _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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cardine45

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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| aklap wrote: | | Are we going b!tch and moan about how inaccurate this book is and do nothing about it...or...are we going to contact Ms. Hasselbeck and share the facts as they are known to be [complete with references backing up our facts]? |
I vote for contacting her. It may take me a bit because I feel I need to be informed and read the book first (I doubt if I'll buy it, I'm hoping to get it from the library or borrow it from someone). Complaining on here is my short term solution, but long term, I feel as many people as possible need to contact her (in a kind, constructive criticism kind of way). |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10968 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| cruelshoes wrote: | | Her husband sits next to her, and starts his meal. Halfway through, she surreptitiously switches plates with him and so it looks like she has eaten half her dinner. OK, so far so good, I actually think that’s a fine idea. |
I really don't understand the reasoning behind this. Who cares if it looks like you've eaten half of your dinner? If you've done the work ahead of time, you maybe could've had a GF meal - specially at the White House. It was rumored that President Clinton had some issues with wheat. _________________ Al
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The Edifying Conscience
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