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amccormick
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Longmont, CO
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: Kitchen issues - pots and pans, dishwasher, cutting board |
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Hi all,
I guess I thought I was doing well, but not so much. I am clearly being cross-contaminated at home.
I assume there is no safe way to clean older cookware that had long been used for gluten-containing food (if there is, I'd love to know before I trash nearly $1000 worth of Calphalon collected over the past 10 years).
If I have to replace it all, is there a kind of cookware (stainless?) that is better for celiac cooking. Is there a better brand?
What about cutting boards? Is stone the only safe choice?
How do I clean my new stuff?
And frankly, my dishwasher bites - is that a problem since I do have gluten in the house for the three non-celiac family members so plates and things could, I suppose, be cross-contaminated.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Amy _________________ Amy |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10972 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Hi Amy,
Sorry to hear you're running into a bit of a snag. Running short on time now. In the mean time, I'll post this - maybe it'll help. Cross Contamination in the Home - How we navigate a Mixed House.
It does address the non stick pan issue. _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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jeant
Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Posts: 290
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: |
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I kept most of my Calphalon pans. I'm not necessarily recommending that anyone else do this--that was my choice. The pans I had were used mostly for sauces and stews and were not scratched, so I cleaned them very well (using scrub pads made for nonstick surfaces) and I cleaned them several times. I did ditch my Calphalon frying pan because it had too much residue on it for me to even bother salvaging. Again, I am not saying keeping Calphalon is possible for everyone--I am not as sensitive as many of the people here.
As for everything else, the PDF file Al posted is very helpful. For my cutting boards and utensils, I bought new stuff. I bought things in bright colors so that they could be distinguished from our existing stuff, so my stuff is only used for GF food.
Right now almost all food preparations in my house are gluten free. My husband has gluten-containing cereals and breads for breakfast and lunch, but dinners are pretty much all gluten free. So keeping separate cookware isn't really an issue--but keeping separate toasters and cutting boards is. |
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Home-Based-Mom

Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 401 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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That pdf file is a good one. Read it line by line - don't just skim.
You can cover your cutting board with foil until you get a new one. _________________ Sandi ~ learning to live in a world obsessed and infested with wheat.
"If it wasn't food 100 years ago, it isn't food now." Mike Huckabee
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10972 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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If your good pots and pans are clean, I'd keep 'em.
I don't think I'd get stone cutting board. It'll dull your knives very quickly.
These sites do not address any GF CC issues:
http://www.helium.com/items/256033-plastic-vs-wood-vs-stone-cutting-boards
http://www.condells.com/kitchens/selecting-a-cutting-board/
If you can, try to get a plastic cutting board that is only used for GF things. If it helps other house members to remember - color code GF items. In our house most things with red are MINE and are not to touch gluten.
| I wrote: | At a family event, I took my food and my BIL happened to grab my red handled spatula and used it to stir a gluteny dish. I darn near jumped out of my skin when I saw him do this!  |
_________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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Fidissimus

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 1975 Location: Portland, OR.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Personally I'd ditch the pans. I'm living in a mixed household and hadn't been glutened in over a year - until I used the teflon pan that mostly my hubby uses for pancakes, french toast, grilled cheese - etc. It sees a lot of gluten. I scrubbed the heck out of it before using it and that wasn't good enough. I got soooo sick. For me, it really made a difference and I won't touch a teflon pan now with a 10ft poll. The other pans he uses for gluten are stainless and I've never had an issue using those. _________________ Cheers!
Jenn
GF BD: Feb. 2001
Free of wheat, barley, rye, oats, dairy, eggs, almonds, pineapple and brewers yeast.
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10972 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Pans would be easy to test. You could get yourself a cheap couple of pans [sizes you use the most] just to see how things go. If you notice an improvement, you'd have your answer.
I'm guessing you feel you have a handle on your GF food selections, that's why you suspect it's coming from CC?
Have you checked all meds, supplements, etc? Those are easy ones to miss. _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10972 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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I've been doing some more digging on teflon.
CeliacListServ post from 4/13/2004 about teflon pans...
http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-icors.exe?A2=ind0304B&L=CELIAC&P=R3276&I=-3&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches
| Michael Thorn wrote: | Hi all-
I decided to try to find out about the relationship between Teflon (R)
coatings/cookware and gluten. I went to the source and they took the
query very seriously. Their reply is below. If you have any questions
please let me know and I will work to get them answered.
Michael Thorn
CeliACTIONetwork |
| The Teflon People wrote: | After discussing with our R&D Chemist, we do not believe that there is
an issue with the "porous" structure of a fluoropolymer film, like a
TeflonAE non-stick coating, and embedded allergents. The fluoropolymer
film on fry pans is formed from sintered polytetrafluoroethylene and the
melt flow of a copolymer. It is not a perfectly smooth film but it does
not contain sizable voids that foods can be captured and held. Oils have
been known to caramelize on the film and stain the fry pan coating. This
is usually caused by very high heat cooking and can be minimized with
proper cleaning.
Residues from foodstuffs that contain gluten will not be left on the
film after cooking. Gluten is a macromolecule made up of a mixture of
individual proteins classified in two groups, plolamines and glutelins.
The prolamine, alpha-gliaden, is considered the major problem in celiac
disease. However, no residual "proteins" from the gluten should be in
any "void" of the film. Also, when glutens break down they form complex
carbohydrates. I have no data to support this opinion but I can also
comment that I have never heard of any issues surrounding this gluten
aspect on fluoropolymer films either. |
I see there's something called Teflon Flu. I knew about the overheating of teflon pan is not good... _________________ Al
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10972 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Home-Based-Mom wrote: | | That pdf file is a good one. Read it line by line - don't just skim. |
| jeant wrote: | | As for everything else, the PDF file Al posted is very helpful. |
Thanks!
Sorry it's so long. I used it for a presentation for our group. I like to be as detailed as I can with this stuff. Plus, if it's in written form, I can make it available for others to view. _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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Deb

Joined: 23 Oct 2004 Posts: 457 Location: Long Island, New York
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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I found this:
| Quote: | http://www.ehow.com/how_4718466_cook-someone-celiac-disease.html
Cast iron and teflon coated pans are a no no unless you have never used them for gluten containing food before and never plan to. Those types of pans absorb gluten so you will cross contaminate the gluten free food if you use them after cooking gluten products in it. Ive heard two stories about teflon pans, the first is that the teflon absorbs the gluten, the other is that scratches in the teflon can keep some of the gluten in them...either way Id rather be safe than sorry. The cast iron pans can't be used because you are not supposed to wash your cast iron pans with soap and water so they will cross contaminate.
Stainless Steel Pans and Glass baking dishes are good to go as long as they are very very clean, no residue (that can be hard with glass baking dishes at times!)
Wooden and Plastic cooking utensils are a no go unless as with the pans they are new and will only be used for gluten free cooking, again two stories with these, one is that the materials absorb the gluten, the other is that the scratches hold the gluten in.
Cutting Boards, you are going to have to buy a separate cutting board that will be dedicated to gluten free cooking.
Baking sheets, I use the same baking sheets as the rest of my family but I cover them with foil just in case, I dont know the official stance on this but it makes me feel better. Eventually I will buy dedicated baking sheets. If you have stainless steel oven safe pans then that kills two birds with one stone unless you are wanting to make a ton of cookies!
Toasters, I doubt you will be cooking for someone with celiac disease frequently enough to need to go out and buy a new toaster (unless you live with them!) so I say just toast the gluten free bread in the oven.
All dinnerware ceramic, glass and metal are just fine for the celiac. I also use my plastic serveware and plastic storage containers that have been used with gluten product and I have no issues (I am a very sensitive celiac) which kind of sways me toward the scratches holding the gluten not the plastic absorbing the gluten.Thats just my opinion. I still wont use plastic cooking utensils that have been used with gluten products as they tend to get dinged up more often than not. |
I have an old Club aluminum pan, and I can't use it. It was teflon once, most of it is gone now. My daughter uses the pan when she visits. I'm not so sure the teflon is the problem, it's the tiny scratches in the surface, some scratches you may not even notice. The gluten hides there. _________________ You can't discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore! |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10972 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I think there needs to be a Celiac Myth Busters.  _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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Home-Based-Mom

Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 401 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: |
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I have read that cast iron pans can be put into a self cleaning oven and run through the cleaning cycle. The temperature gets so hot the gluten is incinerated along with everything else. Yes you lose the seasoning of the pan, but it becomes like a "new" pan that you start all over with, and it's much cheaper than buying another pan. _________________ Sandi ~ learning to live in a world obsessed and infested with wheat.
"If it wasn't food 100 years ago, it isn't food now." Mike Huckabee
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10972 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:50 am Post subject: |
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http://www.amazon.com/Gluten-Free-Cooking-Dummies/dp/0470178108
| On page 76 of GF Cooking for Dummies, Danna Korn/Connie Sarros wrote: | | Some people think they need special pots and pans to create their gluten-free meals in because they've heard that gluten can get embedded into Teflon and other cookware surfaces. This opinion is widely circulated on the Internet, but I'm here to tell you that it's nothing more than an urban legend. Gluten does not seep into Teflon or other cookware surfaces. However, scratches and cracks can harbor residue from previous cooking. The key is to thoroughly wash all cookware and utensils. |
Thanks Secret Special Agent Celiac Myth Buster for getting this to me! _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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jeant
Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Posts: 290
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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I always thought the rule of thumb is that once Teflon is really scratched up, it should be replaced anyway.
Now for another curve ball: My Calphalon isn't Teflon, it's Hard-Anodized Nonstick. Does anyone know if that makes a difference?
| Quote: | | Pans would be easy to test. You could get yourself a cheap couple of pans [sizes you use the most] just to see how things go. If you notice an improvement, you'd have your answer. |
This is what I would do before throwing out the Calphalon. |
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smalltownslackermom

Joined: 04 May 2009 Posts: 287 Location: mid north american continent
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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bleah.... that "Teflon Flu" article gets me further away from non-sticks. I still do use one for eggs and pancakes though, and at only low temps. When they start getting scratched, I throw them out. I even had to throw out a Calphalon. 8^(
I need to read more about the CC though as I haven't swapped out all of my cookware. I threw out my bread pans but not my pyrex. But I will read, don't need to coach me right now if you don't have time. _________________ son - high ttg - 4/09, pos. biopsy 5/09
self - negative bloodwork 5/09, pos. biopsy 11/09
sister - gf for ~3 years and is a new person
niece - positive ttg 2/10, foregoing biopsy |
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