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abetterjulie
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 50 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject: angry and discouraged |
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I have been trying to get the ingredients together to bake my own bread with Bette Hagman's book. It has been like pulling teeth. The natural store 30 minutes away (one way) has 1/2 the ingredients, and then the store down the street has two of them, but the rest I have to order online. Does anyone else feel like this is ridiculous at times?? I am so discouraged.
Not to mention how crazily expensive everything is!! I may even end up spending enough to meet that 7.5% tax restriction.
I have been able to make choc chip cookies and pnt bttr cookies, but I miss bread. I miss being able to eat what I want, when I want.
I realize this is all irrational, and I should just be grateful for feeling better. I was...two weeks ago. Now I am past that stage, and wanting things to be easier. I just feel down and depressed.
My whole world centers around food suddenly. I spend an inordinate amount of time in the kitchen or shopping. I don't like it.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Juile,
Sorry to hear you're having a rough go at making the bread. We have to go to 2 health foods (1 30mins away, 1 45 mins away) and 1 large grocery store (45 min away as city as the one healthfood store) - in addition to our normal gorcery store to get my stuff. We live a in small town of <8,000. Yes it is frustrating - no question about it!!
Missing bread - believe it or not - you will not miss bread after awhile. I was a huge bread hound! Now - if I don't have it - it's not a big deal. Good luck with the Bette bread - she does have good bread!!!
As for the way you are feeling. No it's not irrational. It sounds like reality is setting in. You probably coming down of the 1st high of knowing what's going on and starting to feel better. That is an incrediable high!!! Now you are realizing what it's going to take to remain healthy. Yes your world will center around food for awhile until you get everything worked out. Soon shopping time will lessen as you get to know the things you can have.
So hang in there - things will get easier!! It sounds like you're doing a great job. It took us a good 3-6 months before we were really comfortable with it.
Take care!! If you need to vent - you know where we are  |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 8602 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Darn work computer (it doesn't automatically log me in). That's me above
I ran across this today...I think it might be a fit for you...
So an ancient once said, "Accept the anxieties and difficulties of this life". Don't expect your practice to be clear of obstacles. Without hindrances the mind that seeks enlightenment may be burnt out. So an ancient once said, "Attain deliverance in disturbances".
--Zen Master Kyong Ho [ 1849-1912] _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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mchess
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 102 Location: Oklahoma
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Julie,
I just wanted to say you are not the only one going through that. I am still going through it too. Al is right though, It will get easier over time and grocery shopping will also go faster too. I miss bread too . But that is getting easier too. what I do about the bread though is if I get to craving it too bad is I make some of that gluten free pancakes from Pamela's. or I make gluten free corn bread those are good. It helps me anyway
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 8602 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Good suggestion Melissa!! Another thing you can do is get bread mixes...that way everything you need is there (dry ingreds).
GF Pantry Fav. sandwhich bread is a fav of mine. Manna from Anna is good too (more expensive than the rest...but makes more) _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: julie the highs & lows of celiac |
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manna from anna is very good but expenisve. also the gluten free corn bread is good too. you just have to subsitute things u can still eat good things. U just got to know how to subsitute things & know how to cook. I'm only 39 & only been Dx since dec of 2004 at first I thought that I was never going to get the hang of it but I did after about 3 weeks. I can make all kinds of goodies & full corse meals My family even likes it. I made some banana bread & pumpkin pie for my best friend & she lliked it too. I'm going to make a cheese cake tomarrow. If u have non G/F people in ur house keep ur kitchen clean I use latex gloves & clorox clean up. I went through the depression only because I was Dx with CD & crohns & I have a hiatal herina that is alot to deal with at 1 time. but when U put ur mind to it & say that u can't change it u will slowly get use to it. what got me through it some was this web site
www.memorial hospital .org/library/general/stress-the 3
the 5 stages of mourning
if u read it a couple of times u will hopefully get some relief. I know that I did. also write yourself a letter of forgiveness or someone that ur mad at tell them what ur problems are & let them know that u can over come this & anything that comes ur way. I did it with my ex- hubby and the stress & depression just started to lift It won't be completely gone but u will feel better about what u r going through. U will still go through the highs & lows but it will get better for u
I wish u all the best stay healthy |
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Coban
Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 47 Location: NYC
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm really sorry that you are feeling down Julie.
I'm still less than a month in myself and still riding the high.
Hit a speed bump or 2 but nothing more.
Whatever else I had before, I didn't have my health.
My favorite waitressess have been very helpful and haven't glutened me yet but I was amazed at how much of a jerk my father was when I was home for dinner the other night.
He double dipped in the smart balance margarine that my mother bought special and I refused to use it.
He was still making Seinfeld jokes 3 hours later.
He's kosher and has 36 sets of dishes and 2 kitchens and I'm the nut!
I grew up kosher so I guess I'm a lot more accostomed to a restricted diet. I grew up surrounded by food I wasn't allowed to eat. I also live in NYC and its A LOT easier here.
My only advice is something that my nutritionalist said to me.
I asked her about bread machines and she laughed at me. "You've never cooked before and you want to bake bread now?"
DON'T!! You have to order stuff online anyway, might as well order some GF bread. I know its expensive but so are the alternatives.
If baking is a love of yours, you could work on non-essentials like GF brownies and cakes and other things that you can send me. Cookies... mmmmmmmm.... (think of Homer beer moans)
I'm sorry you are feeling down right now.
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xaz87
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 16
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| hi abnetter julie. you are not alone in your frustation.I have had to eliminate most of my cooking supplys and change my way of eating. I too have gotten discouraged but than I stop and think that I could have been dealt a lot worse deal and sooner or later I will figure this all out. It is just good to know I can talk to people who understand this disease and give help. hang in there. |
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AnnM01
Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Julie:
It does get easier, but everyone with CD has down days and "problem" days where something slipped into the diet that we weren't expecting. I've tried a lot of the GF breads and many mixes...both store-bought and mixed up at home, but the closest thing I've found to real bread is from No-Worries bread. It can be ordered online and comes as a mix with the yeast packet enclosed. It makes very good bread and we've used it in a lot of recipes as a general flour replacement. Check out www.noworriesbread.com for details. Not cheap, but it's worth the price to have the better taste and texture. Ordered some earlier tonight as I used the last one I had in the freezer last week for a great coffee cake everyone in the house snacked on! Don't give up!! |
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 8602 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Coban wrote: | My favorite waitressess have been very helpful and haven't glutened me yet but I was amazed at how much of a jerk my father was when I was home for dinner the other night.
He double dipped in the smart balance margarine that my mother bought special and I refused to use it.
He was still making Seinfeld jokes 3 hours later.
He's kosher and has 36 sets of dishes and 2 kitchens and I'm the nut! |
I've said it a lot and I'll say it again...usually family is the hardest to get thru to.
Someday he will see the results or your labor.
Someday he will see you happier and healthier than you ever were.
Someday he may regret those Seinfeld jokes.
I couldn't help but laugh at the 36 sets of dishes and 2 kitchens joke! LOL!! _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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Deb
Joined: 23 Oct 2004 Posts: 204 Location: Long Island, New York
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: |
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i liked that too al---usually the ones who are the hardest to convince are the more fanatic types ---my brother refuses to believe that my sis, my dad, and i have celiacs--he thinks all we need is some good food and he wants to make us some good, hearty, barley soup---i dont think he will ever believe and i guess that is his choice--i just hope that he is the lucky one that doesnt ever have to live as a celiac cause i dont think he would ever understand--he is stubborn and no al---there isnt anyone else in that family that is stubborn especially not me---deb  |
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Coban
Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 47 Location: NYC
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | usually the ones who are the hardest to convince are the more fanatic types |
You said it not me!! My father is among the most stubborn people alive. But he’s got nothing on me! I’m the kid that sat at the table all night because I wouldn’t eat the liver.
I’m the eldest of 5 sons and I really needed to do some serious paving of ways for the younger ones.
My parents always provided me with everything I needed but nothing was ever gotten without a fight.
Religion is just 1 of the thousands of things we disagree on.
I took a Jewish studies minor in college to be able to intelligently argue with him.
I also got myself expelled from a religious high school when my parents wouldn't let me leave.
My father pushed very hard and I’ve always been the type to push back.
My health complicated things too. As I got sicker they got more worried and it took them years to understand that there were physiological clinical and medical problems which were responsible for my mental health.
Mother was always concerned about my morbidity and my ability to see the negative in anything.
She liked to tell me to stop feeling sorry for myself, its not like I have cancer.
While trying to reduce stress in my life I’ve gone months with minimal contact with my parents as my mother actually always finds a way to argue about everything and I wasn’t going to unnecessarily argue with anyone.
My parents got really scared when I started to do my own research and question my doctors.
When I started arguing with my doctors and seeking new doctors who acknowledged current thyroid research, that’s when they got really scared. How could I possibly know more than an almighty doctor?!
I almost died. I couldn’t walk and I couldn’t think. I changed my diet, demanded physical rehab… When I wanted to “graduate” to a gym I was still in bad enough shape that the head trainer refused to allow me to join without personally speaking to my doctor and getting a “permission slip”.
I couldn’t cure myself or prevent depression but I had already come a long way.
My mother yelled at me for not seeking physical rehab and then she yelled at me for not being careful and trying to do too much.
My mother always scolded me for my depressed morbitity and yet when I express hope that a GF diet will alleviate many of problems… I get an argument to not get my hopes up too high?!?!?
You just can’t win with some people.
My father’s arthritis has gotten worse over the last few years and he refuses to listen to anything that I have to say about caring for himself. Part of it is that he’s unwilling to change his lifestyle.
Few months ago on a rare day with the family, my father made fun of me for wearing sunglasses on a cloudy day. I let him know that considering my dry sjogren’s eyes and thyroid eye disease that I needed the sunglasses to see. I also explained to him that recent research suggests that its wise to wear UV sunglasses to protect your eyes regardless of whether its rain or shine. His answer, I read too much and need to get out more.
They taught me how to fight and get what I want. With my mind back in working order… beware.. I’m back!
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 8602 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Coban wrote: | | ...His answer, I read too much... |
LOL!! This is what my Mother has said to me.
I think she sees things a bit differently now that I'm not sick anymore.
She too is stubborn. She has many health issues and refuses to change. She stopped smoking 2 Thanksgiving's ago - ONLY because I had to out run the police to get her to the ER because she could not breath. The ER doc said she didn't have much time left when she got there.
Parents!!!!  _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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Coban
Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 47 Location: NYC
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:55 am Post subject: |
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No matter how old you get parents will always be parents.
I've always gotten the best of them though... i've always been quite a handful.
Seeing how many kids are reared these days I have 1 comment...
I started asking WHY when most kids first learn the word NO.
Time outs would have never worked on me.  |
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to you for support. I had a much better day the next day, and am trying to see this as a chronic thing that will not be remedied in a week. I deal with people with chronic diseases that require management all the time, but it is so very different when it is my own life. I am such a control freak as it is.
I am so lucky that I have friends on this forum, a family that is supportive (if you don't include my mom), and a disease that doesn't require pills or surgery or disfigurement.
I am trying to not be disappointed and despondent about how crummy the food seems to be. I am not and have never been much of a cook, so this makes it harder for me. I liked the thing about never being a cook, and suddenly wanting to make bread. I have made two kinds of GF cookies successfully...and that is an achievement for me.
Again, thanks for the words of encouragement.
Julie |
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