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Maggie1956



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:19 am    Post subject: Teeth Trouble Reply with quote

Sad I know that celiac disease contributes to enamel problems on our teeth. My teeth are in a fairly bad state from years of eating the wrong thing (gluten). Mad

For the past few days, I've had a really painful upper jaw. It runs from the hinge of my lower jaw and goes all the way up to the middle top jaw.
It's really uncomfortable and is keeping me awake at night. Crying or Very sad

What I'm trying to work out is, is it likely that this is caused by years of untreated celiac disease?
I'm not able to go to the dentist at the moment. We don't have medical insurance and it costs a lot here in Australia for dental work.

Thanks for any replies.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: dental Reply with quote

I must have had C/D for a long time I'm 38 yrs old I lost all my teeth from C/D & I'm a borderline diabetic . I took very good care of my teeth but C/D plays alot on diffrent parts of your body. I have crohn's & a hiatal hernia. which also plays alot on my health too. so If you feel something is wrong don't be afraid to ask questions or go to the DR's

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be 49 later this month, and wasn't diagnosed until November 2004. Confused

I've also had other health problems, both physical illnesses and severe emotional strain and stress over the years which I believe have caused, or at least attributed to having celiac disease flare up now. Rolling Eyes

Thanks for your comments, maria1223.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Maggie,

Sorry to hear about your recent bout with jaw pain Sad I don't know much about it, but could this be a syndrome called TMJ?

http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/topics/tmj.cfm
http://www.tmj.org/

I hope this helps!!

BTW - Happy Birthday!!! Have a shrimp on the barbie for me OK?? Very Happy OY!!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al. That sounds just like it. I even get the ringing in the ears.
It's eased a lot today thank goodness.

Laughing Thank for the birthday wishes! Laughing Actually, my birthday isn't till 26th, but whose counting. lol
Hey, I'll take chocolate and cake anytime...(GF of course!!)

Oh yeah! and I'll put some PRAWNS (shrimps are similar, but we're talking BIG TIGER PRAWNS HERE..YUMMM!!!) on the barbie for ya too blue! What the heck! Why don't ya all come on down! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Maggie,

Glad to hear it's not as bad.

Hey - what's a 14hr plane ride?!?!?! It'd be worth it to have one of those MONSTER Prawns!! YUM YUM I have always wanted to go Australia. Now I have a reason! heheheehe I just love the Aussie accent Cool. Particularly the word "beaah" (beer).

OK - I gotta ask...did Steve Irwin (the Croc Hunter guy) catch a lot of heat DownUnder for taking his baby in with him to feed the Croc? He did here in the states.

Well, Happy Birthday on the 26th then. Smile I knew I had better say then...otherwise I'd forget Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itis a lot better thanks. I really do think that si what the problem is with my jaw.

We do talk a bit different..well, a lot different. There's even different accents in different parts of OZ, just as there is in the States.

Steve Irwin...(Australia Zoo is only ten minutes from where we live) is still getting a bit of flack about Baby Bob getting an up-close-andpersonal with a croc. There was general outrage in the press for a fair while. Bob is now over twelve months old.
There has even been some sort of state law to say that no one under a certain age is allowed in the croc pits anymore.
I personally think Steve is a very knowledgable bloke and wouldn't put his baby at risk.
Here's a couple of things you may like to look at. Razz Enjoy!
http://www.crocodilehunter.com.au/australia_zoo/welcome/

http://www.australianbeers.com/crochunter/croc.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jeannine. The worst of the teeth trouble seems to have disappeared. I still have a real sensitivity to hot/cold foods, and I still grind my teeth. Cool
Still occasionally have the neuralgic-type pains too.

Queensland is beautiful. I haven't seen a lot of it, as it's a really big state.
I live in the SE, and have flown right up north to Cairns, and visited the Great Barrier Reef while up there. Wonderful. Very Happy

It's the beginning of autumn here now, and the weather is gorgeous.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:36 am    Post subject: yep have had troubles with teeth too Reply with quote

I guess I should be glad that I only have three more cavities to be filled but nearly every mollar has had to be filled and I went from no cavities at all at age 20 to all bad mollars. I think it was the years of eating gluten too. if I told my dentist that he would probably tell me I'm crazy like most doctors-- but that's o.k. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: yep have had troubles with teeth too Reply with quote

kristirae wrote:
I think it was the years of eating gluten too. if I told my dentist that he would probably tell me I'm crazy like most doctors-- but that's o.k. Confused

Hi Kristi,

You're right - he would look at you strangely!! LOL!! But here is some info for him:

http://www.oralhealthjournal.com/issues/ISarticle.asp?id=49076&story_id=AOH61958&issue=05012001&PC=
Oral Health, May 2001

PAEDIATRIC DENTISTRY: Dental Enamel Defects and Celiac Disease

By Dr. A. Hawryluk DDS, M. McCool, BSc Pharmacy, D. Hawryluk RDH


Often dentists see young children in the office with malformed, decayed, and extreme hypoplastic teeth, and the first assumption is to criticize the lack of home care as a cause of this dental disorder. However, by observing the dental pathology during early development, special considerations should alert us that there maybe a systemic disorder that is causing dental problems.

Dentists, as health professionals, can be key players leading up to the diagnosis of celiac disease (CD), saving the patient from serious health complications that commonly arise when CD is left untreated. The following discusses the etiology, diagnosis and treatment of celiac disease to aid the dental clinician.

Celiac Disease (also referred to as gluten-sensitive enteropathy, gluten intolerance, nontropical sprue) is a permanent auto-immune disease resulting in inflammatory damage to the small-intestinal mucosa. This immune reaction, in response to ingested gluten, causes the intestinal villi (tiny finger-like projections where absorption of nutrients takes place) to become flattened, thus resulting in a decreased absorptive area that can lead to deficiencies of such vitamins as A, B-12, D, E, K folic acid, and minerals such as calcium, iron, magnesium and zinc. These deficiencies, in addition to the body's immune response to gluten, can lead to a wide range of health problems, requiring the patient to seek medical assistance in virtually any specialty of the health care system.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15560296
Recenti Prog Med. 2004 Oct;95(10):482-90. Related Articles, Links

[Importance of oral signs in the diagnosis of atypical forms of celiac disease]

Pastore L, De Benedittis M, Petruzzi M, Tato D, Napoli C, Montagna MT, Catassi C, Serpico R.

Dipartimento di Odontostomatologia e Chirurgia, Universita, Bari. lpastore@yahoo.com

The dramatic improvement in knowledge concerning celiac disease (CD) has disclosed the pattern of the associated clinical manifestations and the often atypical or silent presentation of this disease, which makes clinical diagnosis difficult. Also oral manifestations, mostly recurrent apthous stomatitis (RAS) and dental enamel hypoplasia, are atypical signs of CD. Our opinion about the possibility of performing mass-screening to reveal atypical or silent CD is in agreement whit who is asserting that a sistematical case-finding is, at present, the most suitable epidemiological approach. So, we think that patients affected by RAS, or dental enamel hypoplasia, should be considered, even in the absence of any gastrointestinal symptom, at-risk subjects, and should therefore undergo diagnostic procedure for CD.

PMID: 15560296 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15198629

Eur J Paediatr Dent. 2004 Jun;5(2):102-6. Related Articles, Links

A comparative study on the prevalence of enamel defects and dental caries in children and adolescents with and without coeliac disease.

Priovolou CH, Vanderas AP, Papagiannoulis L.

Department of Paediatric Dentistry, School of Dental Medicine, University of Athens, Greece.

AIM: This was to test for differences in the prevalence of enamel defects and dental caries between children and adolescents with and without coeliac disease (CD). MATERIALS AND METHODS: The sample consisted of 27 children and adolescents, aged 3 to 18 years with CD, and a control group of 27 healthy subjects matched by age and gender. Enamel defects were diagnosed and classified according to criteria described by Aine [1986], while dental caries was recorded as DMFT(S) and dmft(s) indices [Koch, 1970]. Dental plaque was recorded by the Plaque Control Record Index. Information related to medical history, oral hygiene habits, use of fluoride, history of dental trauma and socioeconomic factors was collected by a structured parental questionnaire. Also, in children with CD the age of initiation and diagnosis of the disease was recorded. STATISTICS: The chi square and the paired t-test were used for the statistical analysis of the qualitative and quantitative data respectively. The logistic multiple regression analysis was applied to test whether the time period between the initiation and diagnosis of CD and other related factors had a significant (p<or=0.05) impact on the presence of enamel defects. RESULTS: The prevalence of enamel defects was higher in the CD group. Differences in frequency and symmetrical distribution of the defects were statistically significant between CD and control groups. With respect to dental caries, significant differences in the mean values of DMFS/dmfs were found between the two groups. Higher values of DMFS/dmfs were recorded in the control group. CONCLUSION: CD increases the risk of developing enamel defects in permanent teeth but not of having dental caries.

PMID: 15198629 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

If you're wondering what Dental Caries were: http://www.db.od.mah.se/car/data/cariesser.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al you are such a big help to us all. Thanks.
My teeth themselves have settled a bit, but I have felt rather yuck the past few days.
Seems to go from one thing to another. Mad It doesn't seem to matter what i eat, I get discomfort in the stomach lately.
I don't think it's a glutten reaction, but I DO think it's some sort of reaction to some foods I can't eat. Trouble is, I'm finding it really hard to work out WHAT those foods are.

I'm getting a few hives almost every day, plus my head is really bad. It develops onto a migraine through the day if I don't just stop and go to bed.
I'm refusing to do that at present.
I have a friend who has a lot of immune-deficiency problems, and he has been getting the same symptoms on the same day. Surprised So, I'm not too sure what to think.

Would I be able to get allergy-type tests done to help me work out what my problem is?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mag!! You and the rest are too kind!!

Sorry to hear you're feelin' cr@ppy as of late.

One thing you could do is keep a food diary - write down everything you eat. Sometimes it is hard to track down delayed food allergies - just because you don't always know exactly what food it is. In my log, I also rated how I felt on a scale 1-10. 10 is the normal, 1 is half past dead. Here's a sample entry from 3/18/02:

8:30 - blueberry morning cereal (9)
9:30 - slight cramps - had to dash to bathroom - belching (7)
1:30 - campbells clam chowder, saltine crackers, 2 donut holes (7.5)
3:00 - lots of burping & belching - upper stomach (6)
6:00 - still burping & belchin, ranitidine (zantac)
8:30 - 2 7up’s after vb (7.5)
9:30 - corn flakes (8.0)

I did fully realize the info I had in this diary UNTIL I had the gluten thing figured out. Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20 LOL!!! I can see why at 3:00pm I felt cr@ppy after eating a boatload of gluten at 1:30!!

Another thing you could do is an eliminatin diet. This means removing foods from your diet and see how you feel. There is a whole process to it. You can find out a bit more here:

http://www.foodintol.com/eliminationdiet.asp
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T041200.asp (for children)
http://www.cfids.org/about-cfids/elimination-diet.asp
http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/diet_elimination.html
http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7188&highlight=elimination+diet
or course google elimination diet Smile

There is always food allergy testing as well.

http://www.allergy-clinic.co.uk/food_allergy_testing.htm
http://www.yorkallergyusa.com/
http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/russian/foodallergy.html
http://www.betterhealthusa.com/public/282.cfm (a discussion on testing practices)

Maggie - you also said it's Fall. Could some of this be seasonal allergies? I don't know what type of things floating around down-under this time of year. Smile But I know spring and fall I don't feel too well due to seasonal allergies (at least that's what I believe). I would like to see an allergist to confirm it tho. My eyes get running, my nose get running. I get headaches. I feel kind of "loopy".

Good luck!! I hope you feel better!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow there's heaps of info there Al. Smile I'm ot sure whether it's all seasonal or not. I suspect that some of it may be.
I used to get asthma when I was a kid, and right up into my thirties.
I have chronic stuffed up nose and itchy eyes and skin. I can't remember NOT having them.

I will keep a food diary. Thanks for showing how to do it. I wasn't quite sure what to put in it.

I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow afternoon with my GP. I'm going to ask for an allergy test. Maybe I'll get some answers.

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