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The Edifying Conscience
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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I did find this recipe which is sort of a dumpling recipe, but the dough portion is made of rice flour. If your daughter is willing to try a new version of an old favorite it might work. I would just work some dough around a raw piece of shrimp and then steam.
I bet these could even be steamed, frozen and then defrosted/warmed in a steamer if you made a bunch in advance. In my gluten eating days, I would buy fresh rice noodles from a shop in Chicago and would invariable stick them in the freezer because I neglected to use them. They seemed to freeze well.
TEC
Bean Filled Flowers ( Kanoom Chor Murng side Tur )
http://www.khiewchanta.com/archives/snacks/dumpling_snacks/index.html
These flowers are another type of these savoury dumpling. This one has
a filling made from yellow mung beans.
Ingredients for Filling
50 gms Yellow Mung Beans
150 gms Pork Mince
10 Sesame Seed
5 gms Coriander Root
1/2 Teaspoon Peppecorns
2 Garlic Cloves
3 Tablespoons Light Soy Sauce
1 Teaspoon Sugar
1 Teaspoon Salt
Ingredients for Rose
240 gms Rice Flour
2 Tablespoons Sticky Rice Flour
3/4 Coconut Milk
1/4 Water
2 Drop Blue Coloring
1 Drop Red Coloring
Preparation
1. Soak the yellow bean in the water for 8 hours.
2. Drain and steam them for 15-20 minutes to cook them. I place them
on foil in my steamer to cook them.
3. Blend the beans to a fine pulp.
4. Pound garlic, peppercorns, coriander root and mix with the pork mince.
5. Fry the pork mixture, add the light soy sauce, and sugar and
continue frying until it is cooked.
6. Mix the fried pork, with the bean pulp.
7. Make balls of the mixture, about 2cms in diameter. You should be
able to get about 20 balls from that mixture.
8. In a saucepan, mix the rice flour and sticky rice flour together,
add the coconut milk, and water and food coloring.
9. Heat the pan, and stir until the flour mixture thickens, then turn
the heat down and continue cooking it slowly stirring all the time.
Remove from the heat and leave to cool.
10. Make 20 balls of this dough, one for each of the bean balls.
11. Flatten a ball in your hand to form a disc, place a bean ball in
the middle, fold up the edges to wrap around the bean ball and press
the edges together to seal them.
12. Now use the same technique from here to make the flowers. Use flat
tongs to make a triangle, then work outwards pressing out leaves with
the tongs. Each leaf spirals down the edge of the ball.
Serve With
Fried Garlic
Chillies
Lettuce
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The Edifying Conscience
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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I forgot to tell you that many of the recipes for dumplings/noodles called for wheat starch. While you consider other options for your daughter's 'fix', you might want to ask the restaurant specifically if the dough has the addition of wheat starch in it.
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Amooliakin

Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 388 Location: NYC
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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WOW - you are very interested in cooking and research. I am impressed! We do have the noodles for Dim Sum, and will continue to do so unless of course it turns out that there are suspicous ingredients.
We also go to Chinatown at least once a week, so getting all kinds of rice noodles is not a problem.
Tonight, in fact, my partner cooked a wonderful combination of rice noodles, pork strips, broccoli, smoked tofu, and gluten free soy sauce.
It was delicious and both of us adults plus our 12 year old son enjoyed it a lot.
Unfortunately Rebecca barely ate any and said it was yucky...
Sigh....
... we did get her to eat some sweet potato and the last batch of shrimp noodles..... _________________ Amy - Mom to two kids, one with Celiac, and assorted pets... |
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ostrich

Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 5100 Location: Nebraska
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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I hate to pry or anything, but it sounds like you might have to sit down and have a chat with her. Her favorite foods might/will have to be modified to become GF.
When I was little for some reason I would only eat french fries from McD's. I would loudly complain that "these aren't McD fries" when we went anywhere else. Guess what? I didn't get any fries. If you give her substitute foods when she complains about the dinner on the table you're confirming that, if she complains enough, she'll get something she likes. _________________ Ostrich :>--O==={
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Amooliakin

Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 388 Location: NYC
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Yes, you are probably right. And in fact that is exactly what we do with our son. But he has always been a good eater and we know that if he does not get exactly what he wants he will still eat other stuff. I don't think there are many foods he won't eat, and I'm the same way.
Rebecca just won't eat at all rather than not have what she likes. Maybe we have to just live through it, but it seems that she has a very distinct sense of taste (and smell) and things that she won't eat really make her gag.
As a parent of course I want my kids to be healthy and there seems to be some inherant Mommy thing that makes us constantly want to feed (or even over feed) our kids. So when she is hungrey and crying and cranky but won't eat, I will go to all lengths.
My partner worried that we were indulging her too much, but I'm not so sure. Rebecca is going through a lot right now, so as long as we stay GF I want to give her as much of her way as possible.
I'm also hoping that as she starts to feel better she won't be as picky. _________________ Amy - Mom to two kids, one with Celiac, and assorted pets... |
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The Edifying Conscience
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Amooliakin wrote: | Yes, you are probably right. And in fact that is exactly what we do with our son. But he has always been a good eater and we know that if he does not get exactly what he wants he will still eat other stuff. I don't think there are many foods he won't eat, and I'm the same way.
Rebecca just won't eat at all rather than not have what she likes. Maybe we have to just live through it, but it seems that she has a very distinct sense of taste (and smell) and things that she won't eat really make her gag.
As a parent of course I want my kids to be healthy and there seems to be some inherant Mommy thing that makes us constantly want to feed (or even over feed) our kids. So when she is hungrey and crying and cranky but won't eat, I will go to all lengths.
My partner worried that we were indulging her too much, but I'm not so sure. Rebecca is going through a lot right now, so as long as we stay GF I want to give her as much of her way as possible.
I'm also hoping that as she starts to feel better she won't be as picky. |
Amooliakin,
I totally understand your need to want to feed your daughter whatever it is she will eat. Kids learn to manipulate their parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. to get what they want. I'm wondering if your daughter is manupulating you with her food choices.
Perhaps your daughter is a picky eater because she is only feed what she will eat. Perhaps the foods your daughter chooses to eat are foods that make her sick. Your daughter will eat when she is hungry, but she needs to be offered choices that are DEFINITELY safe for her. I don't think you can say shrimp noodle rolls are definitely safe.
In addition, as a celiac your daughter could have malabsorbtion issues and may need a variety of foods to (for lack of better term) replenish any key vitamins and minerals in her body. Living on shrimp noodle rolls however good they are, aren't going to replenish a variety of vitamins and minerals.
Celiac disease and the gluten free diet aren't a life sentence. There are worse things out there--cancer, diabetes, hiv, etc. If you want your daughter to be healthy and I'm certain you do, now is the time for some tough love when it comes to her eating habits.
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Amooliakin

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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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I really do take what you say seriously - and we are going to keep our daughter safe and GF. If we have to stop giving her the shrimp noodles then so be it. I won't shirk from that.
In the mean time though, this is still SO new to us. Since she is only a kid, she does not realize how many things have gluten in them. So every new deprivation is fresh.
Today we were at the school pot luck and brought our GF banana bread and grapes. She loved both of them as did the other parents and kids. So for the most part all was well.
But then someone brought the obligatory donuts, and I had to remind Rebecca that she could not eat them. Her face fell.
I am hoping to extend her palate of foods as much as I can without getting into a power struggle with her over food. I understand tough love and I use it with my kids.
But I also have to use some empathy, and I honestly DON'T think she is being manipulative.
I do think that she will have to learn to eat more variety, and that by endulging her for too long we won't help in this. But it is not a black and white issue.
I'm trying the best I can and appreciate everyone's support and suggestions.
PS - I know it is not a life sentance to be GF. In fact the rest of the family is enjoying the new foods and more cooking at home. It is just Rebecca who is cranky and sad. And that makes sense, since she is the one who has to live with this forever....
PPS - Although my son and I are getting tested tomorrow - so maybe we will ALL have to be GF from now on.... _________________ Amy - Mom to two kids, one with Celiac, and assorted pets... |
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The Edifying Conscience
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Amooliakin wrote: |
In the mean time though, this is still SO new to us. Since she is only a kid, she does not realize how many things have gluten in them. So every new deprivation is fresh | .
I forgot to mention this above. As a parent having to enforce this diet is probably much harder on you than it is on your daughter. It's harder for you knowing all of the things she is going to miss out on, pizza, beer, eating in a Chinese restaurant, eating at restaurants, etc. In time, your daughter will adjust to the diet and she won't remember eating any differently.
| Amooliakin wrote: | | But then someone brought the obligatory donuts, and I had to remind Rebecca that she could not eat them. Her face fell. |
Kinnicknick makes doughnuts. Personally I don't care for them, but others here love them.
| Amooliakin wrote: | | I am hoping to extend her palate of foods as much as I can without getting into a power struggle with her over food. I understand tough love and I use it with my kids. |
I'm wondering if you're already in a power struggle with your daughter and you just don't realize it.
I wish you and your daughter the best. I'm signing off on this thread.
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aklap

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 10968 Location: WI, USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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I'll admit I really have had a chance to follow this too closely, so forgive me if this has been covered already. Peg & I were talking about this tonight...
Could it be possible she is not eating or is fussy for the simple reason - most things would make her sick? I know when I was "sick", I would hardly eat anything because I hurt all the time. Peg would get a bit upset at me for "not eating" or say I really should try to eat some more [because I was losing weight by the minute]. If you know you're going to hurt after eating, you tend to get conditioned not to eat. Kinda like Pavlov's Dogs, only in reverse.  _________________ Al
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Amooliakin

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Al.. I think you are quite right. Rebecca has been having stomach aches since she was 5 years old. Nothing huge, no vomiting or diarreah, but just on and off pains. The pediatrician never thought it was serious enough to look further. And honestly, neither did we. But I think that over the past 3 years of her life Rebecca has become a picky eater because she does not associate eating with a good feeling.
This all developed so quietly and subtly that no one realized it was getting bad until this past summer. But when you think about it - 3 years is almost half of her lifetime.
I am cautiously optimistic that this will change.
And believe me, you will be the first to hear about it as it does. _________________ Amy - Mom to two kids, one with Celiac, and assorted pets... |
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Amooliakin

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Oops... the silly web site posted my answer twice.... _________________ Amy - Mom to two kids, one with Celiac, and assorted pets... |
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gfrach
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Amooliakin wrote: | | Yes Al.. I think you are quite right. Rebecca has been having stomach aches since she was 5 years old. Nothing huge, no vomiting or diarreah, but just on and off pains. The pediatrician never thought it was serious enough to look further. And honestly, neither did we. But I think that over the past 3 years of her life Rebecca has become a picky eater because she does not associate eating with a good feeling. |
My DS had reflux from the time he was an infant and it definitely both affected the kinds of foods he could eat as his oral sensory issues were much worse when his reflux wasn't under control. (I don't really understand that, but I know it's true for him.) Getting his reflux under control helped a lot with that but then going GF helped him even more and he now eats a wide variety of foods and textures. Also from what I understand 4-6 is an age of extreme pickiness for many children, so it may naturally get better as she gets older.
It may be possible that Rebecca is experiencing a detox from gluten--that could affect her moods. I personally suggest epsom salt baths to help her detox faster.
Good luck!
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Amooliakin

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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I hope it is detox and not that we are doing this all wrong.
I know we are still not completely GF with Rebecca, though we are trying. Yesterday she wanted a fruit roll-up and we were rushing (to the dietician) and I glanced at the ingrediants and it looked OK so I let her have it.
Later I showed the wrapper to the dietician and of course it was all WRONG with the third ingredient being a bad one. Sigh...
| rachelb wrote: |
I personally suggest epsom salt baths to help her detox faster. |
Gee - I never heard of that.... how much salt? _________________ Amy - Mom to two kids, one with Celiac, and assorted pets... |
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aklap

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Amy,
Just keep doing your best each day. Learn from the mistakes, praise yourselves when it's done right and keep moving forward. That's all you can do. It just takes time and due diligence to know whats-what.
You're doing fine...  _________________ Al
“We cannot all do great things, but we can do small things with great love.” Mother Teresa |
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ostrich

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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Amooliakin wrote: | | Gee - I never heard of that.... how much salt? |
About a handfull in a bathtub full of water. Be careful though: it can really dry out your skin and cause rashes for some people. _________________ Ostrich :>--O==={
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