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| I usually get a seasonal flu shot, and I will get the swine flu shot |
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| I usually get a seasonal flu shot, but I won't get the swine flu shot |
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| I don't usually get a seasonal flu shot, but I will get get the swine flu shot |
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| I don't usually get a seasonal flu shot, and I won't get get the swine flu shot |
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Deb
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http://www.naturalnews.com/027102_vaccines_H1N1_flu_shot.html
| Quote: | (NaturalNews) To hear it from the vaccine makers, their vaccines are perfectly safe and have no side effects. A person can receive an unlimited number of vaccines (10, 100 or even 1000) and have absolutely no ill effects, they claim. This is the quack science mythology upon which mass vaccination policies are currently based. But new evidence is emerging that people receiving a seasonal flu shot are made more susceptible to H1N1 swine flu as a result.
CBC News in Canada is now reporting disturbing findings you need to know about: "Four Canadian studies involved about 2,000 people, health officials told CBC News. Researchers found people who had received the seasonal flu vaccine in the past were more likely to get sick with the H1N1 virus."
The story doesn't cite the percentage increase in H1N1 virus risk, but it's apparently enough to give pause to many doctors and infectious disease experts. "We don't know with this year's flu shot how it interacts with the pandemic flu shot, so it's a worry," said Dr. Michael Gardam in the CBC News article quoted below. He's the director of infectious diseases prevention and control at the Ontario Agency for Health Protection and Promotion.
The upshot of all this is that Canadian health officials are now scratching their heads, wondering whether the seasonal flu vaccines will actually make the H1N1 pandemic worse!
It's fascinating that this data is coming out of Canada, not the U.S. In the United States, the mainstream media has engaged in a virtual blackout of any information that questions the safety of vaccines, even while openly pushing outrageous lies about the swine flu vaccine (http://www.naturalnews.com/027055_s...).
Vaccines weaken your immune system
What this information reveals is further evidence that flu shots damage or weaken your immune system, making you more susceptible to subsequent infections. Flu shots don't even work to reduce your risk of getting the flu that they're targeting! Most people who get the flu are the very same people who routinely receive flu shots.
This will hold true with H1N1 swine flu as well: The people getting the swine flu virus will be primarily those who routinely receive flu vaccinations.
You know why? Because a flu shot trains your immune system to be lazy. It exposes your immune technology to an artificially weakened virus, resulting in a lazy adaptive response from your immune technology. In much the same way that your leg muscles atrophy if you stop walking, your immune system begins to weaken if you don't exercise it. And this leads to an increased risk of being unable to defend against future exposure to infectious disease, which is exactly what we're seeing with this Canadian study.
Vaccines are the quackery of modern medicine. They not only don't work to protect people from the diseases they target; they also increase the risk of being infected with other diseases. And that doesn't even include the ways in which vaccine ingredients (adjuvants or preservatives) can cause permanent damage to your nervous system.
If vaccines strengthen the immune system (as vaccine makers imply), then why do people who take such vaccines end up at higher risk of future infections? The only rational explanation for this is that vaccines compromise immune function. And if that's true, then why should anyone take them in the first place?
Vitamin D makes flu shot vaccines obsolete
We could do away with vaccines almost entirely by giving people vitamin D supplements instead. Seasonal flu is no match for healthy levels of vitamin D in the blood, and with the addition of a few immune-supporting nutrients (like vitamin C, zinc, and omega-3 oils), the days of people getting sick from the seasonal flu would be all but over.
People who have adequate levels of vitamin D in their blood rarely get sick from seasonal flu. The flu primarily strikes those who are nutritionally deficient in one or more key immune system nutrients.
But rather than teach patients how to correct those deficiencies, the entire industry of western medicine would much rather poke a hole in your arm, inject you with chemicals, charge you forty bucks and keep you in the dark about the nutrients that would have protected you better in the first place. That's modern medicine for you: Consumer ignorance plus chemical intervention. It's a great recipe for making money, but it's a terrible recipe for protecting public health.
That's why I say just say no to ALL vaccines. They harm you far more than they help, and they're based on the most absurd medical quackery you can imagine. As is common throughout the pharmaceutical industry, most of the "evidence" supporting the efficacy of vaccines was fabricated by drug companies. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere in the world that says vaccines protect you from seasonal flu better than vitamin D and immune-boosting nutrients. There's not even any trustworthy evidence that seasonal flu shots reduce your long-term risk of being infected with the flu.
But now there is evidence that receiving a seasonal flu shot may increase your risk of contracting H1N1 swine flu, and that's something to carefully consider if you value your health (or your life). |
Here's another link for more info: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/09/23/flu-shots-h1n1-seasonal.html
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: |
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yer not foolin anyone, yer not.
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The Edifying Conscience
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I shouldn't have said reports. I should have stuck with studies. If Bald. posting is accurate then there should have been extensive studies done and that is what I want to see.
I hardly consider some unknown to me website and CBS news as the authorities on what vaccines are or are not safe. |
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celiacmaine-iac
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I don't want to take this discussion OT, but the first two sentences in the next to the last paragraph of the article that Deb posted disturbed me. The emotional tone of those sentences, to me, invalidates any sound information there might be in the article. Citing reputable research and stating solid facts, backed up with references, are my criteria for evaluating if a person is practicing responsible medical journalism.
Does the author seriously mean he/she considers all vaccines harmful? Polio, whooping cough, diptheria, to name a few? A person only needs to walk through an old graveyard to see headstones of whole families of children buried within weeks of each other to point out the absurdity of that statement. That just doesn't happen anymore. I remember my mom saying many times as I was growing up how grateful she was that the polio vaccine was invented within a year of my birth. With me being the eldest child, she knew she would never have to live out that nightmare with any of her children.
I understand the debate over vaccines, in general, and with the swine flu one. I do believe, however, that properly administered and targeted to the most susceptible populations, vaccines, overall, save lives. But, that's just my opinion, FWIW. Everyone should discuss with their doctor if the swine flu vaccine, or any other vaccine, would be appropriate for them. It is important for everyone to become informed consumers when it comes to their medical care.
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rpf1007
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Nicely put Steph. I was thinking the same thing when I read that.
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Deb
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Great videos Davey...thanks.
It's a personal choice, and I choose to not have flu shots.
I posted a website, simply because websites were asked for. The article has some very good info in it. Just because the writer doesn't believe in vaccines, does not change the merits of the H1N1 section. That is the writers personal choice too.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Even if you want the vaccine you can't get it, at least not here. This state has had 12 swine flu deaths so far, and still no vaccine available. My doctor's office is swamped. I had to call them yesterday to get Zofran and they were something like quadruple booked.
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Home-Based-Mom
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Nasal vaccine is available here (maybe 2,000 doses - not even a drop in the population bucket) as of today. By the time the whole quantity of shots gets here in a few weeks there won't be much use for it (IMHO) because most people will have already gotten it.
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ostrich
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: |
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The vaccine landed yesterday, but the only people who are allowed to get it are those working in health care and high-risk patients.
I believe that many vaccines (like the ones Steph listed) are important and should be required. However, I also believe that most people are perfectly capable of fending off the flu on their own, and should leave such vaccines to those who could actually die from it. Hence my lack of getting any flue shots, swine or otherwise.
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Irish Daveyboy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ostrich wrote: | The vaccine landed yesterday, but the only people who are allowed to get it are those working in health care and high-risk patients.
I believe that many vaccines (like the ones Steph listed) are important and should be required. However, I also believe that most people are perfectly capable of fending off the flu on their own, and should leave such vaccines to those who could actually die from it. Hence my lack of getting any flue shots, swine or otherwise. |
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High doses of Vitamin D3 is supposed to be a safe alternative.
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http://web.mac.com/jfrewing/iWeb/Autonomic%20Response%20Testing/Article%20Blog/272DC097-AD41-4D3A-8D38-61A81EB57FD7.html
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Take Vit D3 not the shot Video
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http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182242.pdf
Extracts:
ADVERSE REACTIONS
Adverse Reaction information is based on studies conducted with seasonal trivalent Influenza Virus Vaccine manufactured by Novartis (FLUVIRIN). NOT H1N1 Vaccine.
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See 17 for PATIENT COUNSELING INFORMATION.
17 PATIENT COUNSELING INFORMATION
* Sections or subsections omitted from the full prescribing information are not listed. 
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6 ADVERSE REACTIONS
Novartis’ Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and seasonal trivalent Influenza Virus Vaccine (FLUVIRIN®) are manufactured by the same process. The data in this section were obtained from clinical studies and postmarketing experience with FLUVIRIN.
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6.3 Postmarketing Experience
The following additional adverse reactions have been reported during post-approval use of FLUVIRIN. Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequency
Vial and Syringe leaflet text Page 10 of 20
Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Limited BLA 1750
September 2009
or establish a causal relationship to vaccine exposure. Adverse events described here are included because: a) they represent reactions which are known to occur following immunizations generally or influenza immunizations specifically; b) they are potentially serious; or c) the frequency of reporting.
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Body as a whole: Local injection site reactions (including pain, pain limiting limb movement, redness, swelling, warmth, ecchymosis, induration), hot flashes/flushes; chills; fever; malaise; shivering; fatigue; asthenia; facial edema.
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Immune system disorders: Hypersensitivity reactions (including throat and/or mouth edema). In rare cases, hypersensitivity reactions have lead to anaphylactic shock and death.
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Cardiovascular disorders: Vasculitis (in rare cases with transient renal involvement), syncope shortly after vaccination.
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Digestive disorders: Diarrhea; nausea; vomiting; abdominal pain.
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Blood and lymphatic disorders: Local lymphadenopathy; transient thrombocytopenia.
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Metabolic and nutritional disorders: Loss of appetite.
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Musculoskeletal: Arthralgia; myalgia; myasthenia.
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Nervous system disorders: Headache; dizziness; neuralgia; paraesthesia; confusion; febrile convulsions; Guillain-Barré Syndrome; myelitis (including encephalomyelitis and transverse myelitis); neuropathy (including neuritis); paralysis (including Bell’s Palsy).
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Respiratory disorders: Dyspnea; chest pain; cough; pharyngitis; rhinitis.
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Skin and appendages: Stevens-Johnson syndrome; sweating; pruritus; urticaria; rash (including non-specific, maculopapular, and vesiculobulbous).
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The reason they are using test result data for Fluvirin is because there is NONE available for H1N1.
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People need to check themselves, and not be led blindfolded, like lambs to the slaughter.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCBlxqmOMKM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btBFLuEaMBQ&feature=related
I think it's a matter of personal choice but make sure you know all the risks.
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In the 50's and 60's a drug that was deemed safe and licensed for general use for Morning sickness, anyone remember 'Thalidomide'.
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I'm not trying to scaremonger, but while not All Internet sites are trustworthy neither is the Government and Big Pharma.
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Deb
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Tonight at 5, there is going to be a program on Fox all about the pros and cons of H1N1 flu shots. I will have to watch it online later because I work until 8 tonight.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Got my regular flu shot at work yesterday. Still listening to the news about the H1N1 flu shot. At this point I am leaning against getting the H1N1 vaccine, but I am keeping an open mind.
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