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Will you get the swine flu shot?
I usually get a seasonal flu shot, and I will get the swine flu shot
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I usually get a seasonal flu shot, but I won't get the swine flu shot
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I don't usually get a seasonal flu shot, but I will get get the swine flu shot
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I don't usually get a seasonal flu shot, and I won't get get the swine flu shot
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Haven't decided yet
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article with the crazy people ranting about evil vaccines is wildly inaccurate on many issues. The vast majority of flu vaccines are killed virus. Modified live is the better option because it's alive (although barely and highly unlikely to make you sick) so they need fewer adjuvants to illicit an immune response.

The reason people that get the shot get the flu is because they are high risk. Rolling Eyes Yes it takes a month for the immune system to fully recover from the shot and protect you, but most high risk people know this and get the shot as soon as it comes out. Getting it mid flu season is pointless.

I choose to not get the flu vaccine, but they will not kill you. I'm young, relatively healthy, already on antibiotics (so it wouldn't turn into pneumonia), and most importantly don't want to expose myself to adjuvants because I have an autoimmune disease (which is something all celiacs should consider since the adjuvants in the vaccine will make the body attack itself that much more)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched a good portion of the H1N1 show on Fox. They had 2 doctors, 1 totally against the shot, and 1 totally for it. They both agreed, this flu virus is a very weak one, and the only people actually at risk are those who have a weakened immune system, the very old, and the very young. The reason the doc for the shot wants everyone to get the shot is because he feels we are all carriers of the virus, and we will infect the weaker ones, even if we do not get the flu, or have a very mild case.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a good question-since I've had Swine Flu...How long should I stay away from people? Confused I haven't been anywhere but the doctor's office (where all the kids apparently already have it)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacherpat wrote:
That is a good question-since I've had Swine Flu...How long should I stay away from people? Confused I haven't been anywhere but the doctor's office (where all the kids apparently already have it)


I saw something (sorry - can't remember where) that said nasal swabs showed the virus was still present for 5 days after the last symptom went away. They recommended people remain in minimum contact with others for the 5 days, rather than the previously recommended 2 days, even though there was at least some doubt that the concentration of the virus in the nasal passage was enough to actually infect others. Two days versus 5 days might be a judgement call, depending on who else you might come in contact with.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cultureslayer wrote:
The article with the crazy people ranting about evil vaccines is wildly inaccurate on many issues. The vast majority of flu vaccines are killed virus. Modified live is the better option because it's alive (although barely and highly unlikely to make you sick) so they need fewer adjuvants to illicit an immune response.

The reason people that get the shot get the flu is because they are high risk. Rolling Eyes Yes it takes a month for the immune system to fully recover from the shot and protect you, but most high risk people know this and get the shot as soon as it comes out. Getting it mid flu season is pointless.

I choose to not get the flu vaccine, but they will not kill you. I'm young, relatively healthy, already on antibiotics (so it wouldn't turn into pneumonia), and most importantly don't want to expose myself to adjuvants because I have an autoimmune disease (which is something all celiacs should consider since the adjuvants in the vaccine will make the body attack itself that much more)

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If you're interested in a very in depth posting I made on the Flu and H1N1 vaccines here's a link.
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There is a lot of extraordinary information included like
The French Government document looking for mandatory vaccination but not by doctors or in hospitals ??
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The Irish Health Act law that if invoked will allow for the incarceration of people who refuse the injection
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Read the Affidavit lodged in New York by a Qualified Medical Expert (at the end of the posting).
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This is a very involved and long read with Medical, Governmental and Media links within the posting.
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This link leads to the UK Coeliac Off Topic Board.
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http://coeliac.info/boards/view.php?bn=coeliacs4coeliacs_offtopic2&key=1255033091
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Pat, how you doing? Are you feeling better?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel much better, than you. Very Happy The nausea and sweating and body aches part is totally over (and nearly forgotten), I still have a bit of a sore throat and a mild cough.
I'd say the nausea was the worst bit of the whole experience. That and having the doctor's office call with the nose swab results, at the time quite unsettling. Esp. since every list I'm on is discussing swine flu.
I'd give it a 6 as far as flu goes.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess I didn't know I wasn't feeling well. Glad you're getting better.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aklap wrote:
Guess I didn't know I wasn't feeling w


Its those redbridge and chex breakfasts catching up with you?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacherpat wrote:

Its those redbridge and chex breakfasts catching up with you?

Heehehe I figure that's what you were referencing. Ummm...no...sorta lied. I did have Choc Chex, I just didn't put RB on them. Embarassed

However, at one point in my life, I might've done that...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies to Deb but if I get directed to Natural News I tend to then further follow their links or look for more backup. They don't tend to cite very well, imho. I did rather like this piece on flu vaccinations:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1

and for me personally, I think cultureslayer is hitting it on the nose - I'm not getting the vaccines because of my immune system. I don't feel like hitting it with a false alarm right now - I feel I am still healing up.

I'm a little nervous where my celiac son is concerned. I truly don't know whether to have him get a jab or mist or not... He is still healing up too. I absolutely do not believe that vaccines "gave" him celiac disease, just so you know. I don't think thimerosal was at issue either BUT his symptoms did get worse after each set of vaccines, ultimately getting us to a point where we HAD to figure out what was going on. It seems to me that it could be from jacking up his immune system so much that it sped up onset or exacerbated symptoms or something. But I don't know if there's science to this per se or if it's just my gut instinct, as it were... Gus's Mama, are you getting swine flu shots for your kids? anyone else?

Cultureslayer, do you have more info on the adjuvants?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah, so THIS is the science behind why people don't want the adjuvants [oil-water suspensions]:
"Oil-water suspensions have been reported to increase the risk of autoimmune disease: ... caution should be exercised in the use of oil adjuvants in human and veterinary vaccines. ... their use may be complicated by autoimmunity.[38] Also, a risk for Rheumatoid_arthritis has been reported[39]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunologic_adjuvant#Medical_complications

I'm already at risk for RA. SO now how do I find out if the USA vaccines have these adjuvants in 'em?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess choice has been removed from the equation for me- it is mandatory at work. Kind of shady if you ask me.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO it depends on where you work. I can see the reasoning behind mandatory vaccines if you're a nurse or doctor. But there's no need for a little cube-dweller like me to have one.

Two people in my immediate area are sick. One with the flu, and the other with a bad cough. Last week I was sick with some kind of flu. The suckiest part was having to take so much time off work. I don't have much vacation time to begin with.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to get them at my old employer because they were free & I don't like being sick. Never had any reactions to them. Because most of my co-workers have children, they're always bringing in some kind of bug & I just don't want to get sick & miss a lot of work. So, I'm getting my shot today actually. Last year I didn't get one & was fine, but this year I'm going to go ahead & get one.
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